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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ThePolarBear" data-source="post: 6977460" data-attributes="member: 6857451">Sadly unless you have mind reading powers or some other way to know how WotC want you to play their game (the internet might suffice <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />) the only things you can base your rulings on are the book and your experience (i.e. also counting reality). The fact that RAI does not change doesn't help anyone if that RAI is not explicit. The fact that Line of Sight was NEVER INTENDED to be part of the rules does not mean that Line of Sight was NEVER part of the rules.And do not make confusion: Line of Sight is not Line of Effect. Someone under heavy obscurement can very well be NOT in Line of Sight. Heavy Obscurement actually blocks LoS, rulewise."A heavily obscured area-such as darkness, opaque fog, or dense foliage-blocks vision entirely."Which by the way i believe is bullcrap - at least for darkness - and the wording had to be changed to make it even at least a bit "reasonable", since as it was originally was absolutely unrealistic (and still is if you follow the rules AW...) because before the errata you could not see ANYTHING while standing in an heavily obscured area since you where blinded. No, you could not see that fire 10 paces from you. Right now you could still be facing people telling you that darkess does not allow you to see anything behind it because it blocks vision entirely... and rulewise they would be right. I personally still apply this ruling for Darkess (the spell) because i find it unpleasant having darkvision enabled species unable to see through the spell, while non darkvision races treat the area normally. But saying that Heavy Obscurement does not block Line of Sight is at the same level of "WTF" as the rules as currently written. Can you see through a bank of thick fog?I'm not that unreasonable to understand that that's not what is meant in the case of darkness... but what in case of MAGICAL darkness? Does it effectively block vision only on the area that it rests on or also blocks vision of things behind it? And clearly dense enough foliage does not allow you to see through them in reality...So yeah, rules are there and as written make no distinction one way or another because a certain amount of ruling is always required, however rules are there and sometimes are written in a gamish way to be simple. Complexity can be added on taste of the group. RAI can sometimes be extrapolated when things really do not make sense. But for other cases (like magical darkness) we have no way to judge them in a way that's really "correct" RAI wise since there's no RAI explicit (at least, i do not know any RAI on this subject).TL,DR version: It might have been that RAI LoS was never required to hide. But really i had no way to know that if i only had the book (and still i wouldn't if i only had old editions of the book). Heavy obscurement can block LoS. Obscurement is still broken RAW. How do you rule Darkess (spell) ?P.S. I know LoS and LoE are old terms. It just makes it easier for me to be understood.</blockquote>

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