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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6981836" data-attributes="member: 6787503">The RAW doesn't say you can hide just so long as you're the tiniest bit obscured. The RAW gives the DM the duty of deciding if circumstances exist that allow the character to hide. If they do exist, the character can then hide. When the character hides, and the DM decides there's some uncertainty about whether he'll be found, the DM can ask the player to roll a Stealth check which is a contest between the character and anyone who tries to find him. If the character wins a contest, he prevents a creature from finding him. It would seem very odd to me for the DM to determine that circumstances are appropriate for hiding but then to declare the hider is automatically found by an observing creature. That seems more like an inappropriate circumstance to me. No it isn't. It's just hiding. The DM tells the player if hiding is possible. If the player hides after that, the DM shouldn't then decide it isn't possible."When you try to hide, make a Dexterity (Stealth) check." The DEX check is synonymous with the attempt. Denying the check is the same as denying the attempt.</blockquote>