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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 6981843" data-attributes="member: 23751">This is true.&nbsp; RAW does say, however, that you can't hide if seen clearly, which means it's possible to hide during any condition where you aren't seen clearly.&nbsp; ANY amount of obscurement qualifies as not being see clearly.&nbsp; Seen clearly and obscured being mutually exclusive when using natural language. It goes like this.&nbsp; Attempt to hide.&nbsp; Seen clearly = no.&nbsp; Light obscurement = not seen clearly = DM decision about uncertainty.&nbsp; Who ever side hiding was possible?&nbsp; Only the ATTEMPT to hide is possible.&nbsp; Success may or may not be possible.&nbsp; It goes like this.&nbsp; Light obscurement = allowed to attempt to hide.&nbsp; Attempt to hide under light obscurement = check for elven cloak, elven ability, skulker ability, or some other ability that would allow the attempt to be successful.&nbsp; If such ability = no, then auto failure at attempt.&nbsp; If such ability = yes, then roll for success or degree of success.By RAW a roll is only called for if the attempt is uncertain.&nbsp; Are you really saying that one cannot try to hide when success is guaranteed? That would really suck.&nbsp; You'd have to wait until you might get caught in order to try and hide, and that's just dumb.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 6981843, member: 23751"] This is true. RAW does say, however, that you can't hide if seen clearly, which means it's possible to hide during any condition where you aren't seen clearly. ANY amount of obscurement qualifies as not being see clearly. Seen clearly and obscured being mutually exclusive when using natural language. It goes like this. Attempt to hide. Seen clearly = no. Light obscurement = not seen clearly = DM decision about uncertainty. Who ever side hiding was possible? Only the ATTEMPT to hide is possible. Success may or may not be possible. It goes like this. Light obscurement = allowed to attempt to hide. Attempt to hide under light obscurement = check for elven cloak, elven ability, skulker ability, or some other ability that would allow the attempt to be successful. If such ability = no, then auto failure at attempt. If such ability = yes, then roll for success or degree of success. By RAW a roll is only called for if the attempt is uncertain. Are you really saying that one cannot try to hide when success is guaranteed? That would really suck. You'd have to wait until you might get caught in order to try and hide, and that's just dumb. [/QUOTE]

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