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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6983905" data-attributes="member: 42582">I know that you don't agree with [MENTION=6787503]Hriston[/MENTION]'s reading of the rules, but this makes me think that perhaps you also don't understand it.Hriston distiguishes two cases: being under direct observation (= being seen clearly, at least nearly enough for present purposes), which (per the general hiding rules) precludes hiding; and being lightly obscured, which - if you are not a skulker, wild elf et al - will not allow you to remain hidden when someone looks at you.The benefit conferred by skulker, mask of the wild, etc - on this analysis - is that if you are not observed, and hide in light obscurement, then when someone looks in your direction they won't see you unless their check beats your check. Whereas if you are an ordinary perosn, then (to reiterate the last clause of my previous paragraph) when someone looks in your direciton they will see you with no check required (because you're not hidden, because you're only lightly obscured and hence liable to being seen clearly).In the fiction, here is what is going on (on [MENTION=6787503]Hriston[/MENTION]'s reading): if a wild elf standing in the rain is already under observation (= clearly seen), then any attempt to hide will fail (against that observer), because that observer can already see the elf and hence can keep track of the elf when the latter tries to step behind a rain drop. Whereas if an elf is standing unobserved in the rain, hiding behind the rain drops, then when an observer turns the corner and (thereby) has the elf enter his/her field of vision, s/he must make a check to see the elf because Mask of the Wild allows the elf to remain hidden behind rain drops. Whereas an ordinary person could not do that, and hence would automatically be seen when the would-be observer turns the corner.You may not agree with this reading, but I don't think it's that hard to follow, or make sense of in either the rules or the fiction.</blockquote>

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