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<blockquote data-quote="seebs" data-source="post: 6983998" data-attributes="member: 61529">Yes. But Crawford's words clearly indicate that they can.5e is less unambiguous on the distinction, but it's still there in the natural language used. It's not specifically called out with special game terminology, but it's still there.I think you're reading too much into that. It may not be the one and only absolutely simplest natural way that you would use if you were spending millions of dollars on making sure that every word was carefully chosen for maximum comprehensibility... But it's well within the scope of the way the rules are normally written, because they are full of language that isn't maximally direct when giving flavor/fluff to characterize what happens.Not in a way that makes sense with the whole text. If you drill down on one phrase at a time, you can offer conceptually-possible alternative readings, but they don't make any sense when taking the text as a whole.Tell you what. Either of you gets a direct statement from Jeremy Crawford that he absolutely meant that you can't transition-to-hidden while observed, only remain hidden while a person is actually not observing you but in the same general area looking around, I'll donate $50 to a charity of your choice.But I don't think you can, because the entire point of saying that you've been observed is that someone actually noticed you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="seebs, post: 6983998, member: 61529"] Yes. But Crawford's words clearly indicate that they can. 5e is less unambiguous on the distinction, but it's still there in the natural language used. It's not specifically called out with special game terminology, but it's still there. I think you're reading too much into that. It may not be the one and only absolutely simplest natural way that you would use if you were spending millions of dollars on making sure that every word was carefully chosen for maximum comprehensibility... But it's well within the scope of the way the rules are normally written, because they are [b]full[/b] of language that isn't maximally direct when giving flavor/fluff to characterize what happens. Not in a way that makes sense with the whole text. If you drill down on one phrase at a time, you can offer conceptually-possible alternative readings, but they don't make any sense when taking the text as a whole. Tell you what. Either of you gets a direct statement from Jeremy Crawford that he absolutely meant that you can't transition-to-hidden while observed, only remain hidden while a person is actually not observing you but in the same general area looking around, I'll donate $50 to a charity of your choice. But I don't think you can, because the entire point of saying that you've been observed is that someone actually noticed you. [/QUOTE]

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