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DM Help! My rogue always spams Hide as a bonus action, and i cant target him!
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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 6984133" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>Everyone can hide in an area that is lightly or heavily obscured, which includes moderate foliage. Even humans. From the hide section...</p><p></p><p><em>"What Can You See? </em></p><p><em>One of the main factors in determining whether you can find a hidden creature or object is <strong>how well you can see in an area, which might be lightly or heavily obscured</strong>, as explained in chapter 8."</em></p><p></p><p>How well you can see. Not automatically succeed in seeing. However, given that is says the explanation is in chapter 8, let's look there as well.</p><p></p><p><em>"A given area might be lightly or heavily obscured. In a <strong>lightly obscured area</strong>, such as dim light, patchy fog, or moderate foliage, creatures have disadvantage on Wisdom (Perception) checks that rely on s</em>ight."</p><p></p><p>So here a lightly obscured area gives disadvantage on checks that involve sight. Sure sounds like they can see clearly to me! No. No it doesn't. It also doesn't say that humans cannot hide in such conditions.</p><p><em></em></p><p><em>"A heavily obscured area—such as darkness, opaque fog, or dense foliage—blocks vision entirely. A creature in a heavily obscured area effectively suffers from the blinded condition (see appendix A). The presence or absence o f light in an environment."</em></p><p></p><p>No mention of hiding at all here either. So the level of obscurement doesn't affect hiding by any race. </p><p></p><p>So we're back to the hide rules, which say "you can't hide from a creature that can see you". Well, if a human is hidden, creatures can't see it in lightly obscured conditions unless they succeed at a perception check at disadvantage. Those are the rules, not what you have created above. </p><p></p><p>What's left are the wood elf rules which allow it to attempt to become hidden in lightly obscured natural conditions. Why would it say that since RAW already allows them to hide there? The answer is because they, unlike humans, can do so while under direct observation as the sage advice and tweet say.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 6984133, member: 23751"] Everyone can hide in an area that is lightly or heavily obscured, which includes moderate foliage. Even humans. From the hide section... [I]"What Can You See? One of the main factors in determining whether you can find a hidden creature or object is [B]how well you can see in an area, which might be lightly or heavily obscured[/B], as explained in chapter 8."[/I] How well you can see. Not automatically succeed in seeing. However, given that is says the explanation is in chapter 8, let's look there as well. [I]"A given area might be lightly or heavily obscured. In a [B]lightly obscured area[/B], such as dim light, patchy fog, or moderate foliage, creatures have disadvantage on Wisdom (Perception) checks that rely on s[/I]ight." So here a lightly obscured area gives disadvantage on checks that involve sight. Sure sounds like they can see clearly to me! No. No it doesn't. It also doesn't say that humans cannot hide in such conditions. [I] "A heavily obscured area—such as darkness, opaque fog, or dense foliage—blocks vision entirely. A creature in a heavily obscured area effectively suffers from the blinded condition (see appendix A). The presence or absence o f light in an environment."[/I] No mention of hiding at all here either. So the level of obscurement doesn't affect hiding by any race. So we're back to the hide rules, which say "you can't hide from a creature that can see you". Well, if a human is hidden, creatures can't see it in lightly obscured conditions unless they succeed at a perception check at disadvantage. Those are the rules, not what you have created above. What's left are the wood elf rules which allow it to attempt to become hidden in lightly obscured natural conditions. Why would it say that since RAW already allows them to hide there? The answer is because they, unlike humans, can do so while under direct observation as the sage advice and tweet say. [/QUOTE]
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