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DM Help! My rogue always spams Hide as a bonus action, and i cant target him!
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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6985337" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>To answer the OP's question, the rules for hiding are left open to DM interpretation.</p><p></p><p>You can say this about all rules really, but the hiding rules are left even more so. I know there are some people who claim there is 'the one true way' to adjudicate hiding, but I disagree. The rules are intentionally written to support different interpretations.</p><p></p><p>Some games (and some DMs) prefer a 'mash the hide button' approach. Some DMs prefer a more simulationist approach. If hiding a problem in your game, you can reign it in by changing how you interpret the rules (several options have been presented in this thread).</p><p></p><p>My own interpretation is a more simualtionist one. In short (in my games):</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">1. You can not attempt to Hide when a creature can see you 'clearly enough' (as determined by the DM). This is adjudicated in common sense, plain english. If the creature can see you going into your hiding spot, he can see you clearly enough to foil you taking the Hide action once you get there.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">2. When you are hidden, you cant be targetted barring a lucky guess. Often your opponent wont even know you're there.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">3. Wood Elves and Halflings (and creatures with Skulker) can attempt to Hide when only lightly obscured (or behind a medium+ sized creature for halflings), but this doesnt change the restriction imposed at point 1 above (i.e. they still cant do it while under direct observation).</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">4. When hidden, your first attack is made with advantage. Peeking over or around cover, springing out of the shadows to stab someone or whatever. After that attack (hit or miss) you blow your position and are no longer hidden (barring Skulkers who miss who remain hidden).</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">5. You stop being hidden once the creature knows where you are (and is objectively correct in that knowledge). Either via the search action, via his actions (opening the box you are hiding in), your actions (attacking or otherwise revealing yourself) or if someone who knows where you are tells the creature where you are.</p><p></p><p>I'm not here to judge either interpretation, or to defend why I prefer the above interpretation. Im just stating the interpretation I use in my games.</p><p></p><p> Its just the OP has been using the 'mash the hide button' interpretation in his games, and its creating unwanted results (see the OP). Perhaps changing interpretations to the above one could work for him.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 6985337, member: 6788736"] To answer the OP's question, the rules for hiding are left open to DM interpretation. You can say this about all rules really, but the hiding rules are left even more so. I know there are some people who claim there is 'the one true way' to adjudicate hiding, but I disagree. The rules are intentionally written to support different interpretations. Some games (and some DMs) prefer a 'mash the hide button' approach. Some DMs prefer a more simulationist approach. If hiding a problem in your game, you can reign it in by changing how you interpret the rules (several options have been presented in this thread). My own interpretation is a more simualtionist one. In short (in my games): [INDENT]1. You can not attempt to Hide when a creature can see you 'clearly enough' (as determined by the DM). This is adjudicated in common sense, plain english. If the creature can see you going into your hiding spot, he can see you clearly enough to foil you taking the Hide action once you get there. 2. When you are hidden, you cant be targetted barring a lucky guess. Often your opponent wont even know you're there. 3. Wood Elves and Halflings (and creatures with Skulker) can attempt to Hide when only lightly obscured (or behind a medium+ sized creature for halflings), but this doesnt change the restriction imposed at point 1 above (i.e. they still cant do it while under direct observation). 4. When hidden, your first attack is made with advantage. Peeking over or around cover, springing out of the shadows to stab someone or whatever. After that attack (hit or miss) you blow your position and are no longer hidden (barring Skulkers who miss who remain hidden). 5. You stop being hidden once the creature knows where you are (and is objectively correct in that knowledge). Either via the search action, via his actions (opening the box you are hiding in), your actions (attacking or otherwise revealing yourself) or if someone who knows where you are tells the creature where you are.[/INDENT] I'm not here to judge either interpretation, or to defend why I prefer the above interpretation. Im just stating the interpretation I use in my games. Its just the OP has been using the 'mash the hide button' interpretation in his games, and its creating unwanted results (see the OP). Perhaps changing interpretations to the above one could work for him. [/QUOTE]
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