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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plaguescarred" data-source="post: 6985645" data-attributes="member: 6701422">There's only one meaning of hide in 5E that i know and it's using the Hide action. Do you know another way of hiding without using the Hide action?I said they are not as rigorous as 4E but they are still very functional. I think some simulationist find them too gamist though. Tough here is used used as a subortinating conjonction and still means ''despite the fact'' not as an abverb which are especially used at the end of a phrase.If you say a halfling can try to hdie when there's no restriction on vision that would make hiding possible then she can try to hide when under observeations i don't understand you???Ha i was waiting for you to claim that, so now we have Sage Advice using ''observers'' nearby that don't see, ''preying eyes starring'' that don't see and ''plain view'' that don't see! It's a long stretch to argue this if you ask me <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Normally you can't try to hide in plain view got to be from creature that can see you clearly actually because you can already hide from a creature that can't see you clearly. It's not normal that you can't try to hide in plain view from people that can't see you if you understand the concept <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />No the rules don't say you can't hide from someone who know your lcoation. A DM can adjucation it this way yes but its not a written rule and aint nothing you can do about it either.No the problem here is one using semantic to argue the rules and the Sage Advice clarifying it. NORMALLY you can't try to hide while in plain view...a halfling THOUGH can try. It can't be as clearl as that to establish that the these features are exception to the general rules. What you're doing here is changing terms so that you can better argue them which i believe is a fallacy. Try to hide in D&D 5E means something mechanically and its using the Hide action and making a Dexterity (Stealth) check and that you use until discovered,. You don't try tio hide  once you're already hidden. You try to hide when you are not hidden yet.</blockquote>

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