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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tk32" data-source="post: 6987437" data-attributes="member: 6871723">I'm a DM (Rise of Tiamat and home made scenarios) right now and the Rogue in my group is level 8 going on 9.  I've only had a couple situations so far where the rogue declared "That monster can't see me to attack me." And in those situations, at best, I gave the rogue cover (+2 or +5 to ac depending on the cover) if the monster tried to target through the obstruction. For the most part, there's only been a few times where the rogue tried to sneak for an actual sneak attack.  Instead.... The stealth attack rules were simplified.  If a monster is engaged (in melee) by an ally of the rogue, the rogue is considered flanking and gets sneak attack.  Since there's no facing in 5th edition.  This was simplified.  This rogue, moves in if the creature is engaged by someone else, does his sneak attack, and then as a bonus action, uses disengage to move out of melee (assuming he has movement left).  Then, moves out of engagement taking cover behind someone bigger than him.  He then hides behind another player.   He hasn't called cover and I haven't given him cover for hiding behind another player.  Though technically that's allowed I believe.  And in most cases if he gets hit it's an AOE attack.  Dragons are great for eliminating Rogues. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> A breath attack is a 60 foot cone.  Doesn't matter where the rogue is hiding for the most part, AOE spells or effects / abilities can take a rogue down very quickly.  The Rogue in my group anyways, is usually towards the front of the group, 10-15 feet away so he can attack and disengage and still have 5 or 10 feet of space between him and the monster, but it's close enough for any type of even narrow breath attack such as a half dragon breath attack, etc. I wouldn't focus so much on seeing the rogue.  And focus more on monsters that can move through the front line do so, and others, use their abilities to decimate the front lines.  The problem with my group is that I have two clerics, a rogue, a wizard, and a ranged fighter. The clerics are the tanks, and the ranged fighter does on average 25 - 40 points of damage a round.... at level 8...  But, he can't take any hits really. Low AC and lower HP.  Which, at levels above 10 will bite him in the ass... Be happy you have a rogue that hides a lot and not two clerics that keeps everyone at full HP all the time!</blockquote>

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