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<blockquote data-quote="Xetheral" data-source="post: 6988247" data-attributes="member: 6802765">As it turns out, that's not what he answered. (See above.) Instead, whether or not he'd let the character hide would depend on an (arguably unknowable) future encounter distance.As far as your answer goes, are you applying Stealth and Perception proficiency those checks? In other words, are you simply allowing the hider to Hide as normal in the empty room, but potentially adding circumstantial disadvantage to the perception roll? Or are you not allowing the hider to take advantage of the hiding rules at all and requiring bare attribute checks?The latter would seem silly, considering that in 5e hiding is mostly about remaining unheard, since (other than the special abilities under debate, and a disagreement over remaining hidden in light obscurement) hiding never helps the hider remain unseen. But if it is the former, and one can hide in an empty room without anything to hide behind, then I don't see any way that Hriston's interpretation (that you support) of Crawford's Sage Advice is consistent: if one can always hide in an empty room without anything to hide behind, how could Crawford have been referring to a Halfling's ability to &quot;vanish&quot; (i.e. change state and become hidden as discussed with Hriston above) behind another person when unobserved (e.g. in an otherwise empty room)?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Xetheral, post: 6988247, member: 6802765"] As it turns out, that's not what he answered. (See above.) Instead, whether or not he'd let the character hide would depend on an (arguably unknowable) future encounter distance. As far as your answer goes, are you applying Stealth and Perception proficiency those checks? In other words, are you simply allowing the hider to Hide as normal in the empty room, but potentially adding circumstantial disadvantage to the perception roll? Or are you not allowing the hider to take advantage of the hiding rules at all and requiring bare attribute checks? The latter would seem silly, considering that in 5e hiding is [I]mostly[/I] about remaining unheard, since (other than the special abilities under debate, and a disagreement over remaining hidden in light obscurement) hiding [I]never [/I]helps the hider remain unseen. But if it is the former, and one can hide in an empty room without anything to hide behind, then I don't see any way that Hriston's interpretation (that you support) of Crawford's Sage Advice is consistent: if one can always hide in an empty room without anything to hide behind, how could Crawford have been referring to a Halfling's ability to "vanish" (i.e. change state and [I]become hidden[/I] as discussed with Hriston above) behind another person when unobserved (e.g. in an otherwise empty room)? [/QUOTE]

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