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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6988284" data-attributes="member: 42582">Yes. The proficiency is a modifier to the attribute check.What   [MENTION=6787503]Hriston[/MENTION] says here seems pretty similar to what I said: if there is someone outside the room who is within hearing distance, the person in the room is not in full view (because of walls) and hence has a chance to hide.I don't know when Hriston would call for the DEX check, but that seems to me to be more a matter of table conventions rather than deep principle. I don't know if Hriston would impose disadvantage for trying to hear someone through a shut door, but that seems to me to be in the domain of "rulings not rules".I also don't know what Hriston's take would be on a person walking past the open door and having a chance to notice the still, quiet human if s/he looks in but perhaps not actually doing so. If the passer-by has no other reason to suspect that someone is trying to hid in the room I am inclined to assume that is part of the WIS check (because those who are more perceptive are more likely to look randomly into doorways that they pass), but another GM might take the view that if there is an open doorway then (in the absence of some other distraction) the person inside is in full view and hence has no chance to remain hidden. Again, that seems to be in the domain of GM adjudication and/or table negotiation.I take it that what Hriston is saying is that if there is no one around to notice you, then there's nothing to hide from. Maybe I'm wrong, but to me that only seems to make a difference as to when the DEX check is rolled.If you think about it from the point of the fiction, all a DEX (Stealth) check represents is trying to be still and quiet in circumstances where you're not able to be directly seen by someone. (If they can see you, then even being still and quiet won't let you evade their notice.) I'm sure Hriston accepts that someone who was the last person on earth could stand in a room and try to be still and quiet - that person may not know that s/he is the last person on earth, and be trying to stay hidden from the others s/he thinks are out there.But if, in fact, no one is going to come by then we don't need to make the DEX check because we don't need to oppose it to any WIS checks.</blockquote>

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