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<blockquote data-quote="Xetheral" data-source="post: 6988375" data-attributes="member: 6802765">Ok. So Hriston has agreed that Crawford, by using the word &quot;vanish&quot;, is saying that a Halfling can change state (i.e. begin hiding). You've agreed that Crawford's sentence describing what a Halfling can do is in the same context of the previous sentence (i.e. hiding in full view). You've now also said that you'd permit a Dex (Stealth) check when anyone is alone in an empty room to hide from people outside the room.Given the above, can you please provide an example of a situation where a Halfling can begin hiding but a human cannot? Because I can't think of one, and without such a situation, Hriston's interpretation of Crawford's sentence about Halflings renders the sentence meaningless.Perhaps I'm too hung up on Hriston's use of the phrase &quot;encounter distance&quot;, but his usage of such makes your answers to my question appear fundamentally distinct. It's not terribly important though, since you've said you'd permit a human to make a hide check (or otherwise begin hiding, even if the check is rolled later) in an empty room, now I'm primarily curious whether you can provide the example I asked for above.Which again raises the question of what Crawford meant with his sentence on halflings, given Hriston's contention that Crawford means that a Halfling can begin hiding while in full view, but only if no one else is around to notice. Hence my request for the example above.If you can provide the example, great--I can learn more about how your interpretation is more coherent than it seems. If you can't, I'm curious whether your interpretation departs from Hriston's (perhaps you're not willing to agree with him that &quot;vanish&quot; necessarily implies a change of state?), or whether you disagree with my logic somewhere.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Xetheral, post: 6988375, member: 6802765"] Ok. So Hriston has agreed that Crawford, by using the word "vanish", is saying that a Halfling can change state (i.e. begin hiding). You've agreed that Crawford's sentence describing what a Halfling can do is in the same context of the previous sentence (i.e. hiding in full view). You've now also said that you'd permit a Dex (Stealth) check when [I]anyone[/I] is alone in an empty room to hide from people outside the room. Given the above, can you please provide an example of a situation where a Halfling can begin hiding but a human cannot? Because I can't think of one, and without such a situation, Hriston's interpretation of Crawford's sentence about Halflings renders the sentence meaningless. Perhaps I'm too hung up on Hriston's use of the phrase "encounter distance", but his usage of such makes your answers to my question appear fundamentally distinct. It's not terribly important though, since you've said you'd permit a human to make a hide check (or otherwise begin hiding, even if the check is rolled later) in an empty room, now I'm primarily curious whether you can provide the example I asked for above. Which again raises the question of what Crawford meant with his sentence on halflings, given Hriston's contention that Crawford means that a Halfling can begin hiding while in full view, but only if no one else is around to notice. Hence my request for the example above. If you can provide the example, great--I can learn more about how your interpretation is more coherent than it seems. If you can't, I'm curious whether your interpretation departs from Hriston's (perhaps you're not willing to agree with him that "vanish" necessarily implies a change of state?), or whether you disagree with my logic somewhere. [/QUOTE]

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