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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6988514" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>Someone can be a forward observer but not notice anything because (eg) he's drunk. Someone can be in an observation balloon yet not notice anything because (eg) it's camouflaged.</p><p></p><p>"To observe" can mean to see, or to look at. It can also mean "to watch". That is to say, it has both a transitive and an intransitive use. And "observer" is cognate. It can mean a viewer or a watcher. And a watcher can fail. Eg not all bird watchers see the birds. Not all those who are watching for the enemy notice them, because sometimes the enemy sneak past ("They got right past the observation post!" I doesn't cease to be an observation post because the observers in it aren't very good.)</p><p></p><p>You are making claims about usage that are not borne out neither by dictionary meanings (eg you are completely disregarding the intransitive use of "observe") nor by native-speaker intuitions about a range of acceptable cases.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: To connect this to my reply to [MENTION=6802765]Xetheral[/MENTION] - something can be "in plain sight" yet unseen (because no one is there to see it); and something can be "in plain sight" yet unseen by someone in whose field of vision it is, because the person is not sufficiently perceptive (this is how camouflagae works). Hence a person who is the only person in a room can correctly say "I couldn't see it, even though it was in plain sight!" - eg, to borrow [MENTION=413]Uller[/MENTION]'s example, of the car key sitting in a mess of things on the table.</p><p></p><p>Similarly, something can be "in full view" although there are no viewers, or any potential viewers don't actually see it (again, because it's camouflaged, or they have spots in front of their eyes, or whatever). "It was in full view, but I didn't see it - I was too distracted by the basketballers" - said by someone who does the "monkey suit through black and white basketballers" test.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6988514, member: 42582"] Someone can be a forward observer but not notice anything because (eg) he's drunk. Someone can be in an observation balloon yet not notice anything because (eg) it's camouflaged. "To observe" can mean to see, or to look at. It can also mean "to watch". That is to say, it has both a transitive and an intransitive use. And "observer" is cognate. It can mean a viewer or a watcher. And a watcher can fail. Eg not all bird watchers see the birds. Not all those who are watching for the enemy notice them, because sometimes the enemy sneak past ("They got right past the observation post!" I doesn't cease to be an observation post because the observers in it aren't very good.) You are making claims about usage that are not borne out neither by dictionary meanings (eg you are completely disregarding the intransitive use of "observe") nor by native-speaker intuitions about a range of acceptable cases. EDIT: To connect this to my reply to [MENTION=6802765]Xetheral[/MENTION] - something can be "in plain sight" yet unseen (because no one is there to see it); and something can be "in plain sight" yet unseen by someone in whose field of vision it is, because the person is not sufficiently perceptive (this is how camouflagae works). Hence a person who is the only person in a room can correctly say "I couldn't see it, even though it was in plain sight!" - eg, to borrow [MENTION=413]Uller[/MENTION]'s example, of the car key sitting in a mess of things on the table. Similarly, something can be "in full view" although there are no viewers, or any potential viewers don't actually see it (again, because it's camouflaged, or they have spots in front of their eyes, or whatever). "It was in full view, but I didn't see it - I was too distracted by the basketballers" - said by someone who does the "monkey suit through black and white basketballers" test. [/QUOTE]
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