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<blockquote data-quote="Isiolith" data-source="post: 5584327" data-attributes="member: 85646"><p>[MENTION=5265]CharlesRyan[/MENTION]: I suppose the question to be answered then is whether we took a contract that is binding us to the participation in the war (thus voluntarily participating) or were just swept up into it by the Great Whirlwind of Plot Development (and are, as you say, involuntarily participating)? Being straightforward (“no, we’ve just exhausted all our resources and need time to recoup”) as you say could also work…</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>*****</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>[MENTION=3400]billd91[/MENTION]: As I said in the above response, I suppose we need to take a look at whatever contract is binding us to this war and see if it is long-term or not; if we’ve been swept up and are doing something we’re not under contract for (and, consequently, aren’t getting paid for), then we might just need to bite the hand that feeds. The DM is always asking for more involved roleplaying (before myself and my significant other joined, the group was largely…not anti-roleplaying but far from being good at it, we’ll just say, so the DM’s not used to having people who actually like roleplaying), so perhaps getting ourselves into these short-term bursts you speak of would help?</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>*****</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>[MENTION=8835]Janx[/MENTION]: Real-world time? One week (we play every Sunday). In-game time? We usually pick up right where the previous session left off, so minutes at the least, hours at the most. The most significant jump was when we switched DM’s for a while that trapped us in an alternate world for twenty years (though for the PC’s it was only a couple weeks), during which the war really erupted; we’ve only been involved for a few months at this point, though, if that (save for one PC).</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>I don’t know if you’d classify us as assassins as that’s not all we do (although a fair majority of our contracts given that it’s wartime have been to take out particular marks in the enemy ranks). And no, we definitely don’t want to dungeon-delve, but being able to obtain items that will enable us to better perform our contractual duties would be worth the time invested, no? Besides, there are other knights in Myth Drannor (where we’re currently based) that could go on missions; we just happen to be the most powerful (17-19, level-wise).</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>No, at the end of each session, the DM does not ask us what we want to do, which is where the group’s perception of railroading is coming in. It’s usually that we’re told what we’re going to do, because Elminster (acting as the voice of the DM) tells us where to go. Though I don’t DM, I completely understand your point about having to follow the basic arc that he’s set out and for which he’s planned material—but he’s not giving us any flexibility when we do follow the course he’s laid out; part of DMing, at least as I see it (and correct me if I’m wrong) is structuring a basic plot arc and planning material but also being able to think on the fly and be flexible if your players don’t follow exactly what you’ve planned.</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>*****</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>[MENTION=19383]Ravil[/MENTION]iah: Being straightforward. Got it. J</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>*****</p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>[MENTION=6674931]Jimlock[/MENTION]: Like in my original post, I guess I (though certainly not some of our other members) am afraid of being critical of him for fear of him thinking it’s a slight on him as a person, much less a DM—everyone screws up once in a while. I certainly don’t expect him to be a god of any sort and most definitely have the utmost respect for him both as a person and as a DM. As I write this, I’m finding myself thinking about why my character is even still traveling with this group of people—which has nothing to do with the DM and everything to do with me needing to reevaluate my character’s priorities and get together with the DM to throw some of those in there so I feel more invested as a player.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Isiolith, post: 5584327, member: 85646"] [MENTION=5265]CharlesRyan[/MENTION]: I suppose the question to be answered then is whether we took a contract that is binding us to the participation in the war (thus voluntarily participating) or were just swept up into it by the Great Whirlwind of Plot Development (and are, as you say, involuntarily participating)? Being straightforward (“no, we’ve just exhausted all our resources and need time to recoup”) as you say could also work… :) ***** :) [MENTION=3400]billd91[/MENTION]: As I said in the above response, I suppose we need to take a look at whatever contract is binding us to this war and see if it is long-term or not; if we’ve been swept up and are doing something we’re not under contract for (and, consequently, aren’t getting paid for), then we might just need to bite the hand that feeds. The DM is always asking for more involved roleplaying (before myself and my significant other joined, the group was largely…not anti-roleplaying but far from being good at it, we’ll just say, so the DM’s not used to having people who actually like roleplaying), so perhaps getting ourselves into these short-term bursts you speak of would help? :) ***** :) [MENTION=8835]Janx[/MENTION]: Real-world time? One week (we play every Sunday). In-game time? We usually pick up right where the previous session left off, so minutes at the least, hours at the most. The most significant jump was when we switched DM’s for a while that trapped us in an alternate world for twenty years (though for the PC’s it was only a couple weeks), during which the war really erupted; we’ve only been involved for a few months at this point, though, if that (save for one PC). :) I don’t know if you’d classify us as assassins as that’s not all we do (although a fair majority of our contracts given that it’s wartime have been to take out particular marks in the enemy ranks). And no, we definitely don’t want to dungeon-delve, but being able to obtain items that will enable us to better perform our contractual duties would be worth the time invested, no? Besides, there are other knights in Myth Drannor (where we’re currently based) that could go on missions; we just happen to be the most powerful (17-19, level-wise). :) No, at the end of each session, the DM does not ask us what we want to do, which is where the group’s perception of railroading is coming in. It’s usually that we’re told what we’re going to do, because Elminster (acting as the voice of the DM) tells us where to go. Though I don’t DM, I completely understand your point about having to follow the basic arc that he’s set out and for which he’s planned material—but he’s not giving us any flexibility when we do follow the course he’s laid out; part of DMing, at least as I see it (and correct me if I’m wrong) is structuring a basic plot arc and planning material but also being able to think on the fly and be flexible if your players don’t follow exactly what you’ve planned. :) ***** :) [MENTION=19383]Ravil[/MENTION]iah: Being straightforward. Got it. J :) ***** :) [MENTION=6674931]Jimlock[/MENTION]: Like in my original post, I guess I (though certainly not some of our other members) am afraid of being critical of him for fear of him thinking it’s a slight on him as a person, much less a DM—everyone screws up once in a while. I certainly don’t expect him to be a god of any sort and most definitely have the utmost respect for him both as a person and as a DM. As I write this, I’m finding myself thinking about why my character is even still traveling with this group of people—which has nothing to do with the DM and everything to do with me needing to reevaluate my character’s priorities and get together with the DM to throw some of those in there so I feel more invested as a player. [/QUOTE]
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