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<blockquote data-quote="Psion" data-source="post: 3224849" data-attributes="member: 172">Anyone own &quot;Burning Empires&quot;? In it the players and GM cooperatively build the setting. Further, there is no fudging per se, but what the GM can do is sharply curtailed by the rules. The power of foes, how many rolls you can call for, etc., are sharply curtailed by the system.Its an interesting effort... perhaps one of the best books of the year.And yet, I don't want my D&amp;D game to be like that. Putting your trust in the DM is part and parcel of D&amp;D. If your game is such that forbidding the DM to utilize Mordenkainen's Disjunction is going to make a difference to the flow of the game, you are hosed in the first place, because the DM could do much worse.Better to develop as a DM who understands the point of a fair challenge.Point the second... even if you could come up with a system that could be used in a non-intrusive manner, it would be very limited. Witness how much angst is still unleashed to this day over the (IME very effective) CR system. You want to make something that more completely models all challenges in the game and have it be sensitive to all the tactics and choices the players might come up with? Good luck with that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Psion, post: 3224849, member: 172"] Anyone own "Burning Empires"? In it the players and GM cooperatively build the setting. Further, there is no fudging per se, but what the GM can do is sharply curtailed by the rules. The power of foes, how many rolls you can call for, etc., are sharply curtailed by the system. Its an interesting effort... perhaps one of the best books of the year. And yet, I don't want my D&D game to be like that. Putting your trust in the DM is part and parcel of D&D. If your game is such that forbidding the DM to utilize Mordenkainen's Disjunction is going to make a difference to the flow of the game, you are hosed in the first place, because the DM could do much worse. Better to develop as a DM who understands the point of a fair challenge. Point the second... even if you could come up with a system that could be used in a non-intrusive manner, it would be very limited. Witness how much angst is still unleashed to this day over the (IME very effective) CR system. You want to make something that more completely models all challenges in the game and have it be sensitive to all the tactics and choices the players might come up with? Good luck with that. [/QUOTE]

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