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<blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 1795268" data-attributes="member: 5100">I was on the player side of this about a year back.&nbsp; We were doing RtToEE.&nbsp; It was done after we abandoned Dragon Mountain and moved to 3E.&nbsp; Anyway, the DM is a nice guy -- a very close friend, actually -- and he's a good player.&nbsp; As a DM, though, he's a bit competitive, but not killer.&nbsp;He made a few house rules that generally nerfed our advantages -- we played a rogue-heavy party and he applied pretty hefty penalties to tumble and added facing for sneak attack (basically, all the negative stuff from UA, but none of the good stuff).&nbsp; There were some other changes, too, but as the Thief-Acrobat, those are the ones that stick in my mind.&nbsp; He also made a couple of comments about it not being fun for him unless any given fight was a real threat to us.&nbsp; Several times people asked him to reconsider his rulings or revoke house rules.&nbsp; I flat out told him I thought they were bad rules.&nbsp;After spending 6 months trying to get our 9th level party of six past the Earth ziggurat room in the CRM, we'd lost three players, but managed to recruit two replacements.&nbsp; The DM said, &quot;I just think 3E is absurdly deadly.&nbsp; Why don't you guys create 14th level characters and see what you can do?&quot;&nbsp; That lasted another 6 months with somewhat, although not tremendously, better results -- we made it over the lake, but only barely.&nbsp; When my sorcerer -- who was responsible for teleporting the party about -- got nailed everyone, in turn, basically said, &quot;Eh, let's forget it.&quot;&nbsp;We'd never had the discussion, as players, about dumping the DM before doing so, but it turns out it'd been quite some time (like a year) without any fun for anyone.&nbsp; No one wanted to be the first to quit, though.&nbsp; When the lack of an escape route basically meant a slow, painful death for all the characters, a second restart was enough to do for someone and everyone almost sighed their agreement.&nbsp;I still don't think the DM knows how miserable everyone was.&nbsp; The couple of discussions he and I have had about it have dredged up some hard feelings on both sides, so I'm content to let it lie.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mercule, post: 1795268, member: 5100"] I was on the player side of this about a year back. We were doing RtToEE. It was done after we abandoned Dragon Mountain and moved to 3E. Anyway, the DM is a nice guy -- a very close friend, actually -- and he's a good player. As a DM, though, he's a bit competitive, but not killer. He made a few house rules that generally nerfed our advantages -- we played a rogue-heavy party and he applied pretty hefty penalties to tumble and added facing for sneak attack (basically, all the negative stuff from UA, but none of the good stuff). There were some other changes, too, but as the Thief-Acrobat, those are the ones that stick in my mind. He also made a couple of comments about it not being fun for him unless any given fight was a real threat to us. Several times people asked him to reconsider his rulings or revoke house rules. I flat out told him I thought they were bad rules. After spending 6 months trying to get our 9th level party of six past the Earth ziggurat room in the CRM, we'd lost three players, but managed to recruit two replacements. The DM said, "I just think 3E is absurdly deadly. Why don't you guys create 14th level characters and see what you can do?" That lasted another 6 months with somewhat, although not tremendously, better results -- we made it over the lake, but only barely. When my sorcerer -- who was responsible for teleporting the party about -- got nailed everyone, in turn, basically said, "Eh, let's forget it." We'd never had the discussion, as players, about dumping the DM before doing so, but it turns out it'd been quite some time (like a year) without any fun for anyone. No one wanted to be the first to quit, though. When the lack of an escape route basically meant a slow, painful death for all the characters, a second restart was enough to do for someone and everyone almost sighed their agreement. I still don't think the DM knows how miserable everyone was. The couple of discussions he and I have had about it have dredged up some hard feelings on both sides, so I'm content to let it lie. [/QUOTE]

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