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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Magus_Jerel" data-source="post: 154172" data-attributes="member: 3940">If your evil cleric is daring and can get close -Use a Blasphemy spell, and beat the thing's SRNo will save for Solar <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Wizards or clerics:Use Banishment while presenting an evil holy symbol and unholy water. (for a certain +2 to SR and a +4 to save DC)possible additional modifiers:- Casting from "desecrated or unhallowed ground" (power components I would hope)- use of the "curse" mode to hinder opposing alignment (good) as per "bestow curse" (save forefit as you chose to enter the area)20th level caster needs 11+ on the d 20 to beat the SR.This presumes only the holy symbol and the unholy water (and not even power components at that)- this is a "recalculated base" Save DC of 20 to 21 + modifier; and your upper level wizard or cleric usually has a modifier of +6 to +10 (maybe more depending on how maxed out the score) before feats or other modifiers  In this - your modifier is going to have to be greater than the solar's possible roll.IMC If you want an effective "no real save no Sr" on the solar - this is what you could use; Cleric or wizard; 20th caster level(effective or actual):Things that modify SR roll+ 2 Power unholy symbol/Divine Focus+ 2 Unholy water (IMC - there is a power version)+ 2 Unhallowed ground (as power component)+ 2 Wearing A Talisman of ultimate evil  (minor artifact - but hey we ARE talking a solar)+ 2 Spell Penetration+ 4 "Greater Spell Penetration"  (If you have it the feat "overlaps" Spell penetration)+ 1 The caster himself is a consecrated evil priest/blackguard+2 If the caster were a Demon, undead lich (or the like)As for making the save DC a 40+ (so solar can't save safely)+4 Power Holy symbol+4 Power Unholy water+4 Unhallowed Ground+4 Wearing a Talisman of Ultimate Evil+4 If Caster is a Demon, Lich, or the like+2 If caster is a consecrated evil priest/blackguard+2 Spell focus+4 Greater spell focus (overlaps - does not stack W spell focus)+ 4 "Curse mode" of Unhallow hindering good aligned creatures as per Bestow Curse's secondary -4 to all saves effect (this is actually (actually a penatly to the solar)Two powerful "hypothetical combinations"Wizard/lich - 20th level; using power unholy symbol; power unholy water; with Greater Spell Penetration, intelligence modifier +8(or greater)Needs a 2 on a d20 to beat the SR - save DC 40 for the solarLich/Cleric - 20th level using power unholy symbol; power unholy water; on unhallowed ground, spell penetration feat and wisdom modifier of at least +8Needs a 1 on a d20 roll to beat the SR (sure thing) - save DC 40</blockquote>

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