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<blockquote data-quote="HeapThaumaturgist" data-source="post: 2406697" data-attributes="member: 12332">Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that point.&nbsp; As I said, one of my closest friends just is not in any way a gamer.&nbsp; He made games MISERABLE.&nbsp; Horrific.&nbsp; He wouldn't just not play, but he wouldn't &quot;play right&quot; either.&nbsp; It came down to me, of my own violition, deciding to remove the situation rather than the person.&nbsp; Outside of game time, he was a great friend.&nbsp; We'd do anything for eachother.&nbsp; Talk for hours about everything and nothing.And some of the people who I game with and like gaming with very much, we never really see or contact eachother outside of the game.&nbsp; And that's cool.&nbsp; They're my friends as well, but quite the same type.I'm sure &quot;Bob&quot; just sees the situation very differently.&nbsp; It's a game, with rules, in a book, where he can &quot;do things&quot; and succeed at challenges by creatively putting together rules, rolling dice, and ticking off &quot;hit points&quot; on another counter faster than his own are ticked off.&nbsp; And that works for him.&nbsp; And his friends just can't see that's what it's about for him.&nbsp; Does that mean he has to not be friends with them anymore?And I'm not saying Bob's &quot;right&quot; ... I'm just saying I don't think &quot;those not Bob&quot; have the moral high ground because they decided how the game aught to be played and somebody that's important to them won't toe the party line.--fje</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HeapThaumaturgist, post: 2406697, member: 12332"] Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that point. As I said, one of my closest friends just is not in any way a gamer. He made games MISERABLE. Horrific. He wouldn't just not play, but he wouldn't "play right" either. It came down to me, of my own violition, deciding to remove the situation rather than the person. Outside of game time, he was a great friend. We'd do anything for eachother. Talk for hours about everything and nothing. And some of the people who I game with and like gaming with very much, we never really see or contact eachother outside of the game. And that's cool. They're my friends as well, but quite the same type. I'm sure "Bob" just sees the situation very differently. It's a game, with rules, in a book, where he can "do things" and succeed at challenges by creatively putting together rules, rolling dice, and ticking off "hit points" on another counter faster than his own are ticked off. And that works for him. And his friends just can't see that's what it's about for him. Does that mean he has to not be friends with them anymore? And I'm not saying Bob's "right" ... I'm just saying I don't think "those not Bob" have the moral high ground because they decided how the game aught to be played and somebody that's important to them won't toe the party line. --fje [/QUOTE]

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