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Message: <blockquote data-quote="William Ronald" data-source="post: 2408216" data-attributes="member: 426">It seems that the DMs and several of the players have one set of expectations, abnd that Bob has another set of expectations.  I agree that there are multiple styles of play, most of which are legitimate.  However, I think one has to ask whether the DMs and the other players are having fun, and whether Bob is limiting their ability to enjoy the game.I think an alternate class other than cleric MIGHT work for Bob.  However, he seems to be unwilling to abide by the SAME restrictions and rules that other people in the campaign are expected to regarding clerics.  I find this troubling, as I think that the same rules should apply to everyone at the gaming table.  If a cleric or a champion of a deity is expected to behave in a certain way, I do not see it as fair as allowing one player to operate such characters under one set of rules and others having to operate under another set of rules.  (Possibly some of the alternatives suiggested here might work provided that they do not alter the mood of the campaign world.  Is this something that the players and the DMs want? )Each campaign setting has its own unique feel.  So, I think that Force User and Hjormir have to ask whether Bob is adding to the enjoyment of the game or not.  I agree that DMs have to be flexible, and that there is always a certain amount of compromise involved in any campaign.  However, Bob seems to have been unwilling to seriously consider the views of the DMs and the other players.  It seems that Bob wishes to operate under a different set of rules than everyone else.   "Anything goes" does not necessarily apply to each gaming table. Force User has been called somewhat inflexible in this thread. However, I think that there are limits to flexibility for each DM and each campaign. It varies from setting to setting, and DM to DM.  In the context of what Force User and Hjormir seem to be comfortable with, and the nature of their campaign, they seem to have tried to make accomodations with Bob. Bob, however, seems to have been unwilling to make accomodations with them and the other players.  (Even in Eberron, where faith alone seems to power clerical magic, there are at least social considerations in the campaign world.  Thus, a cleric claiming that each member of the Sovreign Host and the Dark Six are actually the same being may have the faith to cast spells.  However, killing him might be one of the few things that worshippers of the Sovreign Host and the Dark Six can agree on.  At the very least, I would expect such a character to face incredible social prejudices.)I think that RP solutions can work, provided that they do not suspend belief in the setting or the enjoymene to the DMs or the players.  It seems that Force User and Hjormir have tried to direct Bob to some other class choices.  I think they must ask themselves if they think that they can find a RP solution that fits the setting, and that they and the other players will respect.  Even if Bob plays a divine champion with the blood of a god in his character, a deity that makes its will known to its worshippers would want to have a champion represent its views.</blockquote>

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