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<blockquote data-quote="Shadowslayer" data-source="post: 2408239" data-attributes="member: 8400">Ok Ive read all the posts and I have a couple ideas here. First of all, I think the DM needs to take a step back and take a deep breath. Put things in perspective a little. I know some guys resent being told &quot;relax, its just a game&quot; but its valid. Take a couple game nights off to regroup...go to a movie instead, hit a pub...something besides gaming. Do not exclude Bob. Tell him, &quot;hey man, things have been getting a little tense, so lets take a break.&quot;&nbsp; The best groups do lots of other stuff together too.Then shop around for a different game!&nbsp; Say &quot;lets try something new&quot;&nbsp; My old longtime group played mostly D&amp;D. It was the baseline game that we always came back to. But once in a while we'd break something else out. One guy loved Palladium, so we'd play his game for a while. I was a pretty good gm for WEG Star Wars, so sometimes we'd do that (complete with soundtrack and all the goofy extras that the game recommended.)&nbsp; Every guy in the group maintained a Blood Bowl team too. (no RP, lotsa crunch and agression...Bob'd love it)In your case, I'd suggest a more storytelling based game. ALthough I'm a pretty vocal C&amp;C fan, I'd advise against that one, as its spirit is too close to D&amp;D. I dont have enough experience with other games to actually suggest one, but go with something with a simpler ruleset, where advancement comes from story stuff rather than killing stuff. (WEGSW was good for that)&nbsp; MAybe other more learned board members can help here with game suggestions. I'd suggest a change of genre too, just to get out of the D&amp;D mindset.See, in short, D&amp;D by the book kinda rewards the stuff you're trying to avoid. Now I hope people dont take this as a slam...its not. I read the boards a fair bit and see the &quot;my player(s) wont roleplay, what can I do?&quot; question a lot. My feeling is that some of the time, its just that they're playing the wrong game. If you want heavy RP etc, you need to find a system that supports that in the rules...something that D&amp;D isnt really intended for.&nbsp; It may take a different game to teach him the principles you're trying to apply to your D&amp;D game.And if not, your group can say they had fun playing something else for awhile. It sounds like a long way to go for one player. It must seem like its easier to just boot him, but I can guarantee you that its worth it to try and help this guy a little. Hes a friend right?So do a changeup, expand your gaming horizons, and his, then come back to D&amp;D.Hope this helps.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shadowslayer, post: 2408239, member: 8400"] Ok Ive read all the posts and I have a couple ideas here. First of all, I think the DM needs to take a step back and take a deep breath. Put things in perspective a little. I know some guys resent being told "relax, its just a game" but its valid. Take a couple game nights off to regroup...go to a movie instead, hit a pub...something besides gaming. Do not exclude Bob. Tell him, "hey man, things have been getting a little tense, so lets take a break." The best groups do lots of other stuff together too. Then shop around for a different game! Say "lets try something new" My old longtime group played mostly D&D. It was the baseline game that we always came back to. But once in a while we'd break something else out. One guy loved Palladium, so we'd play his game for a while. I was a pretty good gm for WEG Star Wars, so sometimes we'd do that (complete with soundtrack and all the goofy extras that the game recommended.) Every guy in the group maintained a Blood Bowl team too. (no RP, lotsa crunch and agression...Bob'd love it) In your case, I'd suggest a more storytelling based game. ALthough I'm a pretty vocal C&C fan, I'd advise against that one, as its spirit is too close to D&D. I dont have enough experience with other games to actually suggest one, but go with something with a simpler ruleset, where advancement comes from story stuff rather than killing stuff. (WEGSW was good for that) MAybe other more learned board members can help here with game suggestions. I'd suggest a change of genre too, just to get out of the D&D mindset. See, in short, D&D by the book kinda rewards the stuff you're trying to avoid. Now I hope people dont take this as a slam...its not. I read the boards a fair bit and see the "my player(s) wont roleplay, what can I do?" question a lot. My feeling is that some of the time, its just that they're playing the wrong game. If you want heavy RP etc, you need to find a system that supports that in the rules...something that D&D isnt really intended for. It may take a different game to teach him the principles you're trying to apply to your D&D game. And if not, your group can say they had fun playing something else for awhile. It sounds like a long way to go for one player. It must seem like its easier to just boot him, but I can guarantee you that its worth it to try and help this guy a little. Hes a friend right? So do a changeup, expand your gaming horizons, and his, then come back to D&D. Hope this helps. [/QUOTE]

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