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<blockquote data-quote="MoogleEmpMog" data-source="post: 2408626" data-attributes="member: 22882">Would that remain the case if the people in your group repeatedly and blatantly went out of their way to step on the toes of the other players?You've given an example and posed a hypothetical.&nbsp; Although I can understand where you're coming from, neither applies in this case.1. Unlike the childish &quot;Bob&quot; ForceUser is suffering with, your wife was a mature adult about it who didn't throw a fit over being removed from an activity she obviously didn't like and in which she didn't gel with the other participants.&nbsp; Note that &quot;Bob&quot; hasn't actually done that, although ForceUser expects him to; he might surprise everyone and be perfectly fine with leaving the campaign.&nbsp; Unless he gets his kicks from ruining the other players' fun, he probably isn't enjoying himself much, either.2. Your wife IS (or should be) more important than gaming or everybody else at the table.&nbsp; One friend (of dubious value) out of a group of what, half a dozen, is NOT more important than everybody else at the gaming table, who are also presumably friends.&nbsp; One wife is more important than a thousand friends; one friend is not more important than five, especially when his actions demonstrate a lack of fellowship.3. The problem in your game was one of gaming styles between people who, within their own styles, were not problem players.&nbsp; The problem in ForceUser's game has nothing to do with gaming styles and everything to do with one player being an ass.&nbsp; Maybe he's not, and he just comes across that way, but picking at the scab of this cleric issue (and paladins, so it's NOT a mechanical or favored class thing) is clearly not just a 'play style' issue.4. In the end, your wife stopped playing with your group.&nbsp; She stopped willingly, with apparent maturity and understanding befitting a rational adult.&nbsp; You did the same thing I'm advising ForceUser to do (albeit with presumably greater tact, considering the circumstances), and it sounds to me like it worked out better for both of you.I like &quot;Bob's&quot; play style better than ForceUser's, at least when it comes to the role of the set of mechanics called 'cleric' in the core rules.&nbsp; But I would play with ForceUser and boot &quot;Bob,&quot; because it's not a matter of play style, it's a matter of respect.&nbsp; Give it and get it, don't and begone.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MoogleEmpMog, post: 2408626, member: 22882"] Would that remain the case if the people in your group repeatedly and blatantly went out of their way to step on the toes of the other players? You've given an example and posed a hypothetical. Although I can understand where you're coming from, neither applies in this case. 1. Unlike the childish "Bob" ForceUser is suffering with, your wife was a mature adult about it who didn't throw a fit over being removed from an activity she obviously didn't like and in which she didn't gel with the other participants. Note that "Bob" hasn't actually done that, although ForceUser expects him to; he might surprise everyone and be perfectly fine with leaving the campaign. Unless he gets his kicks from ruining the other players' fun, he probably isn't enjoying himself much, either. 2. Your wife IS (or should be) more important than gaming or everybody else at the table. One friend (of dubious value) out of a group of what, half a dozen, is NOT more important than everybody else at the gaming table, who are also presumably friends. One wife is more important than a thousand friends; one friend is not more important than five, especially when his actions demonstrate a lack of fellowship. 3. The problem in your game was one of gaming styles between people who, within their own styles, were not problem players. The problem in ForceUser's game has nothing to do with gaming styles and everything to do with one player being an ass. Maybe he's not, and he just comes across that way, but picking at the scab of this cleric issue (and paladins, so it's NOT a mechanical or favored class thing) is clearly not just a 'play style' issue. 4. In the end, your wife stopped playing with your group. She stopped willingly, with apparent maturity and understanding befitting a rational adult. You did the same thing I'm advising ForceUser to do (albeit with presumably greater tact, considering the circumstances), and it sounds to me like it worked out better for both of you. I like "Bob's" play style better than ForceUser's, at least when it comes to the role of the set of mechanics called 'cleric' in the core rules. But I would play with ForceUser and boot "Bob," because it's not a matter of play style, it's a matter of respect. Give it and get it, don't and begone. [/QUOTE]

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