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Message: <blockquote data-quote="swrushing" data-source="post: 2408918" data-attributes="member: 14140">I dont think anyone is asking them to all change their styles of play. That doesn't seem to be what bob is asking either. Bob wants to play his cleric the ways he sees it. The conflict is stemming from the GM (and maybe some other players) deciding that style of cleric is incorrect and apparently not being willing to entertain any alternative class definitions than their own. Now is Bob handling the conflict well? nope. But as far as i can tell, no one is. The social dynamics in that group seem to be a mess, unless you can consider "we all get together and laugh at him behind his back" to be a model for good social interactions.For as long as i can remember, the majority of my campaign detail and definition came AFTER not BEFORE i learned what my players wanted their characters to be like. If i approve a character for play in my game at all, its because i have accepted it and plan to work with it. If i have a problem with it, its my job to bring it up before play. After play, i need to deal with it. So, barring deception on the player's part at chargen, I have committed to incorporating that type of character into my game. Then again, as i said, most of the detail work is done AFTER knowing who my stars are and is intended to spotlight them, to fit with them, as opposed to making them fit to my preconceptions.Si, I come back to having a slightly looser world where some form of "thing that is statted liken a cleric" does not also bring upon itself their house ruled notion of the "one true way to play a member of this class." I have to wonder, maybe they can explain, if you also had "one true way of playing a fighter" and decided to support only the plate armor with  sword-board style fighter, and had the "one true way of playing a ranger" with twf dual scimitars and the "one true way of playing a wizard" with items creation feats and bulging spellbook but no metamagic and so forth so that other players found their characters on the "we get mad when you play them that way and we laugh at you when you are not there" list if we might see a different perspective dawning.I doubt it from the comments made here. Well, before i start predicting Bob's future actions, i would have to say is that I would need some comment or observation from Bob and not just comments from people clearly displeased with bob. One-sided internet perceptions are notoriously unreliable, IMX.</blockquote>

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