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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rel" data-source="post: 2409158" data-attributes="member: 99">(emphasis mine)Probably not but I'm not convinced that you're accurately describing the situation.  I'm still unsure that Bob is maliciously doing anything to intentionally piss people off.  Instead I think he might just be trying to do his own thing and it is intensely irritating to the other people that he doesn't do things more "their way".I know of what I speak because for MANY years I had a close friend who drove me (and others within the group) to no end of frustration because of the way he approached the game.  He just didn't GET it.  He was very lazy in his approach to character concepts, had a poor grasp of mechanics, wouldn't bite a candy-coated plot hook if it landed in his mouth and just didn't seem to give a damn.  This finally boiled over when I confronted him and he got pretty mad about it.  He explained (in rather harsh terms) that all he wanted was to hang out with the guys and the gaming was entirely secondary to him.  He didn't want to be an intense roleplayer.  He didn't want to put a lot of thought into how his characters were built.  He didn't want the plot to revolve around him and he didn't want to be in the spotlight.  He just wanted to come be with his friends.After I read Robin Laws' book I finally got it through my thick skull that this friend was just a Casual Gamer.  Once I understood that and quit trying to make him be more a part of the game itself than he wanted we were both much happier and less frustrated.  I wish I'd figured this out a lot sooner because he's dead now and I'll never get to game with him again.I am not suggesting that they need to let Bob have his way because he might keel over tomorrow.  But if he is really a "loyal friend" (Force User's words from post #1) and if they want to avoid the reprocussions of booting him from the group then I think it is reasonable to relax the restrictions they've got in place in the game.  After all, nothing will be stopping the other players from still maintaining those high standards and the GM will have a great excuse to give them a few extra benefits for going "above and beyond the call of duty".</blockquote>

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