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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tequila Sunrise" data-source="post: 5843935" data-attributes="member: 40398">...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> There is nothing about this situation that makes any sense at all. Run for the hills man!While whining and moaning never seem to do much good, a calm yet firm "I'm just not having fun" sometimes does.Yeah, extra feats make NPCs more challenging, but here's the thing: CR is a very rough guideline, at best. The writers applied CRs to different monsters using different standards -- sometimes intentionally, sometimes not. (Dragons for example are intentionally under-CRed.) Often the raw math isn't even consistent within the same CR.So yeah, an NPC with extra feats might be worth a CR boost, but not even the professionals will agree on how big a boost if any. The CR boost depends on the quality of the feat, the NPC or monster who gets it, and possibly what kind of PC it's being used against. Many DMs will swap out crappy default feats for better ones, and it's still legal by the rules. My point is: NPC and monster design is more an art than a science, even if 3.x gives the impression that there's some grand scheme behind everything.Assuming that the NPCs contributed to the fight, yes.</blockquote>