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<blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 262301" data-attributes="member: 545"><p><strong>Re: Re</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Depends a lot how you think Invisibility works. </p><p></p><p>If See Invisibility simply improves my senses, then Mind Blank has nothing to do with it.</p><p></p><p>Suppose I am a color-blind creature. I cast See Color on myself. You have Mind Blank up. Are you in color or in b&w when I look at you? Is See Color 'information gathering', or is it simply allowing me to see things that may be difficult to normally discern <em>for me</em>? The colored light is flying by whether I can see it or not.</p><p></p><p>There are four obvious ways to look at Invisibility (and there are certainly other more obscure ones):</p><p>(1) Invisibility bends 'light waves' around you such that there is nothing to see</p><p>(2) Invisibility shifts your appearance into something not normally discernible</p><p>(3) Invisibility clouds the observer's mind such that he cannot discern your image</p><p>(4) Invisibility shifts you to the plane of Shadow such that living creatures see through you</p><p></p><p>The last two obviously do not apply to D&D 3e. </p><p></p><p>The first one is a quasi-scientific explanation not directly supported by the rules, although many readers automatically assume it must be true. Where is the entry for 'light wave' in the core books? </p><p></p><p>The second one is a quasi-magical explanation not directly supported by the rules, but can be justified by niggling, pendatic, ruleslawyering. Invisible is not defined by the rules, so all it means is its face value 'not seeable (by normal sight)'. Of couse in D&D we know there are all kinds of sight, there are creatures that <em>can</em> see invisible beings prefectly. So when I can See Invisible, it seems obvious that I can now discern those creatures that have the quality Invisible as if it were my normal vision. From this POV, See Invisible is not affecting you, it is only affecting me by improving my senses.</p><p></p><p>If you accept the first explanation, then it is probable (but not certain) you think Mind Blank foils See Invisibility. If you accept the second explanation, then it is probable (but not certain) you think Mind Blank does not affect See Invisibility.</p><p></p><p>Similar story for True Seeing, but that situation is more complicated because True Seeing has multiple functions.</p><p></p><p>Detect spells are usually very different, because they are indirectly affecting you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ridley's Cohort, post: 262301, member: 545"] [b]Re: Re[/b] Depends a lot how you think Invisibility works. If See Invisibility simply improves my senses, then Mind Blank has nothing to do with it. Suppose I am a color-blind creature. I cast See Color on myself. You have Mind Blank up. Are you in color or in b&w when I look at you? Is See Color 'information gathering', or is it simply allowing me to see things that may be difficult to normally discern [i]for me[/i]? The colored light is flying by whether I can see it or not. There are four obvious ways to look at Invisibility (and there are certainly other more obscure ones): (1) Invisibility bends 'light waves' around you such that there is nothing to see (2) Invisibility shifts your appearance into something not normally discernible (3) Invisibility clouds the observer's mind such that he cannot discern your image (4) Invisibility shifts you to the plane of Shadow such that living creatures see through you The last two obviously do not apply to D&D 3e. The first one is a quasi-scientific explanation not directly supported by the rules, although many readers automatically assume it must be true. Where is the entry for 'light wave' in the core books? The second one is a quasi-magical explanation not directly supported by the rules, but can be justified by niggling, pendatic, ruleslawyering. Invisible is not defined by the rules, so all it means is its face value 'not seeable (by normal sight)'. Of couse in D&D we know there are all kinds of sight, there are creatures that [i]can[/i] see invisible beings prefectly. So when I can See Invisible, it seems obvious that I can now discern those creatures that have the quality Invisible as if it were my normal vision. From this POV, See Invisible is not affecting you, it is only affecting me by improving my senses. If you accept the first explanation, then it is probable (but not certain) you think Mind Blank foils See Invisibility. If you accept the second explanation, then it is probable (but not certain) you think Mind Blank does not affect See Invisibility. Similar story for True Seeing, but that situation is more complicated because True Seeing has multiple functions. Detect spells are usually very different, because they are indirectly affecting you. [/QUOTE]
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