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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 264531" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>It doesn’t have to. That is not the point of this sentence. An area scan could have several results depending on DM ruling if they did not explain what happens:</p><p></p><p>1) A blank spot could show up. Like a Black Hole, you see that something is there (since the spell might be unable to see past the protected target), but you cannot gain any information on that target (height, weight, eye color, etc.).</p><p></p><p>2) The protected character prevents the area spell from working at all, hence, it would protect other creatures in the area by accident.</p><p></p><p>3) The spell works but the creature simply isn’t detected.</p><p></p><p>This sentence is not mysterious. They just explained what happens with a visual area divination. If they would not have explained what happened, sooner or later we would be reading a thread here on the forum asking what happens. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hmmm.</p><p></p><p>So, although the wording as written does support our position and is merely a clarification sentence, you don't buy it because it is not written in a way that makes it crystal clear to you?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree with the first one.</p><p></p><p>The spell should not protect against information that Legend Lore may have access to (things other people know about the protected target or things known about the protected target's past when he was not protected).</p><p></p><p>It should only protect against "current information", i.e. information that the spell is currently hiding from other divination spells about the target.</p><p></p><p>You divine information about the target's home, his job, or some other external piece of information, the divination is not stopped.</p><p></p><p>I disagree totally with the second one since I think the first sentence of the spell ("detect, influence, or read emotions or thoughts") has nothing to do with the overall divination protection portion of the spell. Just because they have the word “detect” in the first sentence does not mean that it supercedes somehow sentences further in the spell description. They went out of their way to state that it protected vs. Scrying or Arcane Eye which have nothing to do with emotions or thoughts.</p><p></p><p>This "first sentence is the god of intent" theory for the entire spell is not supported by further examples within the spell (such as Scrying or Wish), or other spells in the book that reiterate that they are stopped by Mind Blank. Nor, is it supported by the Sage's Ruling on Discern Location. It is, however, supported by the Sage’s ruling on this.</p><p></p><p>People also keep mentioning that long range location is what they mean by "protection from information".</p><p></p><p>So, if you use a Wish spell to figure out the protected target's location, it is stopped. But, if you use a Wish spell to figure out the protected target's alignment, it is not stopped. Huh?</p><p></p><p></p><p>But, this discussion (like last time) is getting nowhere since intent vs. literal discussions rarely do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 264531, member: 2011"] It doesn’t have to. That is not the point of this sentence. An area scan could have several results depending on DM ruling if they did not explain what happens: 1) A blank spot could show up. Like a Black Hole, you see that something is there (since the spell might be unable to see past the protected target), but you cannot gain any information on that target (height, weight, eye color, etc.). 2) The protected character prevents the area spell from working at all, hence, it would protect other creatures in the area by accident. 3) The spell works but the creature simply isn’t detected. This sentence is not mysterious. They just explained what happens with a visual area divination. If they would not have explained what happened, sooner or later we would be reading a thread here on the forum asking what happens. :) Hmmm. So, although the wording as written does support our position and is merely a clarification sentence, you don't buy it because it is not written in a way that makes it crystal clear to you? I agree with the first one. The spell should not protect against information that Legend Lore may have access to (things other people know about the protected target or things known about the protected target's past when he was not protected). It should only protect against "current information", i.e. information that the spell is currently hiding from other divination spells about the target. You divine information about the target's home, his job, or some other external piece of information, the divination is not stopped. I disagree totally with the second one since I think the first sentence of the spell ("detect, influence, or read emotions or thoughts") has nothing to do with the overall divination protection portion of the spell. Just because they have the word “detect” in the first sentence does not mean that it supercedes somehow sentences further in the spell description. They went out of their way to state that it protected vs. Scrying or Arcane Eye which have nothing to do with emotions or thoughts. This "first sentence is the god of intent" theory for the entire spell is not supported by further examples within the spell (such as Scrying or Wish), or other spells in the book that reiterate that they are stopped by Mind Blank. Nor, is it supported by the Sage's Ruling on Discern Location. It is, however, supported by the Sage’s ruling on this. People also keep mentioning that long range location is what they mean by "protection from information". So, if you use a Wish spell to figure out the protected target's location, it is stopped. But, if you use a Wish spell to figure out the protected target's alignment, it is not stopped. Huh? But, this discussion (like last time) is getting nowhere since intent vs. literal discussions rarely do. [/QUOTE]
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