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<blockquote data-quote="reiella" data-source="post: 1400473" data-attributes="member: 160">3 6th level PCs versus an EL 12 encounter (7 CR 6 critters)+modifier for a gestalt fighter/clerc in the mix.Yea it's a bit harsh, even with the gestalt character classes.I'd probably 'base-line' encounters around EL 7 or 8 (due to a 3 person party).&nbsp; And yea, that was a bit harsh, but really depends on their tactics used.There was a notable tactical failure on part of the party (not using suppressive magic), but I think the party would have been in a worse condition if they encouraged the hobgoblins to spread out and surrond them, so that may be a mixed bag.&nbsp; Shieldwall gives the gobos bonuses to their Reflex save as well...A single fireball at that level would average 6d6 damage or about 21 points of damage, and 10 on a save...&nbsp; Also presuming that the cleric didn't hit his hobbie buddies up with Protection from Elements (after all, if they're using military formation, they should expect suppression spells and prepare for them accordingly).Without a dedicated healer, -ANY- attrition battle becomes alot more difficult as well.&nbsp; And this would be an attrition battle simply due to the numbers.&nbsp; Interesting sidenote is that all the party members are able to cure themselves except for the monk/sorc (Who will be able to in some levels <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />), so I wouldn't worry too much about that truthfully.I'd say that the encounter was too hard, and that the lack of a dedicated healer emphasizes that problem in this situation.Of course, I'm not used to gestalt characters so *shrug*.&nbsp; At a glance, it was too much though.[ Added Commentary ]Trouble here is that, some of the opponents (at least one) was also a gestalt character.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="reiella, post: 1400473, member: 160"] 3 6th level PCs versus an EL 12 encounter (7 CR 6 critters)+modifier for a gestalt fighter/clerc in the mix. Yea it's a bit harsh, even with the gestalt character classes. I'd probably 'base-line' encounters around EL 7 or 8 (due to a 3 person party). And yea, that was a bit harsh, but really depends on their tactics used. There was a notable tactical failure on part of the party (not using suppressive magic), but I think the party would have been in a worse condition if they encouraged the hobgoblins to spread out and surrond them, so that may be a mixed bag. Shieldwall gives the gobos bonuses to their Reflex save as well... A single fireball at that level would average 6d6 damage or about 21 points of damage, and 10 on a save... Also presuming that the cleric didn't hit his hobbie buddies up with Protection from Elements (after all, if they're using military formation, they should expect suppression spells and prepare for them accordingly). Without a dedicated healer, -ANY- attrition battle becomes alot more difficult as well. And this would be an attrition battle simply due to the numbers. Interesting sidenote is that all the party members are able to cure themselves except for the monk/sorc (Who will be able to in some levels :p), so I wouldn't worry too much about that truthfully. I'd say that the encounter was too hard, and that the lack of a dedicated healer emphasizes that problem in this situation. Of course, I'm not used to gestalt characters so *shrug*. At a glance, it was too much though. [ Added Commentary ] Trouble here is that, some of the opponents (at least one) was also a gestalt character. [/QUOTE]

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