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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Zardoz" data-source="post: 4287991" data-attributes="member: 704">You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.  That does not mean you still have to ride it, however.So you have an impasse, and there are a number of solutions.1)  Play 3rd Edition with that DM.  You have been playing that system for years, and I presume having fun.  You have someone willing to run the game, so why not go with it.2)  Play 4th Edition with a different DM.  Your current DM does not like the system should not be a problem unless his presence is critical to the game being able to happen.  The only person who absolutely must show up every game is the DM.  The solution would then be to use a new DM.Based on what you have said, the one thing that absolutely will not happen is getting the current DM to run a 4th edition game.You could have the DM try 4th Edition as a player on a one off / short term game between campaigns.  If he is not up for that, you will need to try to set up a new game.  The only moral quandary is do you want to play 4th Edition badly enough to ruin the 3rd Edition Dm's game?If no, then run your game on a different day of the week, or do not actively poach players from that DM's game.  If you do not care, than invite everyone in the current DM's game to your game.  If you get nearly all of the 3rd Edition Dm's players, his game will collapse, not leaving him with much in the way of options.END COMMUNICATION</blockquote>

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