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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3481138" data-attributes="member: 4937">As I said before, answering this question with any degree of usefulness very much depends on the particular monster you wish to challenge the PC's with.&nbsp; There are too many factors involved unique to a monster that may change the tactics of a particular monster and the overall approach to the encounter you take to make it challenging.&nbsp; You would do different things with monsters with high mobility than low mobility, strong ranged attacks or no ranged attacks, high AC or low AC, strong attack bonus or weak attack bonus, and different combinations of any of that can subtly change how you'd play the monster to best effect.&nbsp; Several of us attempted to answer this in a really general way, but I do understand that such necessarily broad brush strokes aren't particularly helpful.Now, if you are actually interested and not merely smarting off with the above comment, I would be more than willing to help you - as I'm sure many of us would despite our disagreements on this issue or that.What sort of monsters did you have in mind to throw at the PC's?&nbsp; I think we've probably had enough of kobolds, but anything else you have in mind, throw it out there.As a broad suggestion, just about any monster can be made challenging but the ones that can be made most easily challenging are the ones which possess some something intrinsic which is superior to what the PC's have - be it the ability to swim, fly, faster movement rate, immunity to something - or which have an unusually high something for thier CR, like say the Rhino's unusually high attack bonus and damage potential for its CR.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 3481138, member: 4937"] As I said before, answering this question with any degree of usefulness very much depends on the particular monster you wish to challenge the PC's with. There are too many factors involved unique to a monster that may change the tactics of a particular monster and the overall approach to the encounter you take to make it challenging. You would do different things with monsters with high mobility than low mobility, strong ranged attacks or no ranged attacks, high AC or low AC, strong attack bonus or weak attack bonus, and different combinations of any of that can subtly change how you'd play the monster to best effect. Several of us attempted to answer this in a really general way, but I do understand that such necessarily broad brush strokes aren't particularly helpful. Now, if you are actually interested and not merely smarting off with the above comment, I would be more than willing to help you - as I'm sure many of us would despite our disagreements on this issue or that. What sort of monsters did you have in mind to throw at the PC's? I think we've probably had enough of kobolds, but anything else you have in mind, throw it out there. As a broad suggestion, just about any monster can be made challenging but the ones that can be made most easily challenging are the ones which possess some something intrinsic which is superior to what the PC's have - be it the ability to swim, fly, faster movement rate, immunity to something - or which have an unusually high something for thier CR, like say the Rhino's unusually high attack bonus and damage potential for its CR. [/QUOTE]

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