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<blockquote data-quote="Hodgie" data-source="post: 2760338" data-attributes="member: 29204"><p>Not to sidetrack my own thread, but ...</p><p></p><p>It seems that people on these boards think primarily in black and white. Either someone is good and thus is a good gamer or bad and is thus a bad gamer. I have friends that have gotten DUIs, I have friends that don't return phone calls, and I have friends that are inconsiderate. They aren't bad people and they don't need to be kicked to the curb. They just have flaws.</p><p></p><p>The guy in question _IS_ a good guy. He just happens to be passive agressive and will subtly ruin campaigns because he, like everyone else, has flaws. Maybe he secretly wants to be a great DM and when that fails he subversively ruins other campaigns to make himself feel better. Maybe he is really hurt when his campaigns end and has deep emotional problems why he can't vocalize this hurt. Who knows.</p><p></p><p>The point is most gamers and most games run in the gray. People can be problem gamers and still be human beings worthy of friendship. People can also have problems without requiring an intervention. All too often the advice given is to sit down, be mature, and really work through this together. But that would be making a mountain out of a mole hill.</p><p></p><p>The guy's campaign isn't that great. We'd like to move on to a new campaign. This doesn't require a restructuring of our social dynamic, this requires us either being 'petty' and ruining his campaign or being 'noble' and confronting him. I'd rather be 'noble,' but I know that would mean the next campaign would suffer. I don't want to be petty. I'd like to know of other suggestions.</p><p></p><p>/rant</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hodgie, post: 2760338, member: 29204"] Not to sidetrack my own thread, but ... It seems that people on these boards think primarily in black and white. Either someone is good and thus is a good gamer or bad and is thus a bad gamer. I have friends that have gotten DUIs, I have friends that don't return phone calls, and I have friends that are inconsiderate. They aren't bad people and they don't need to be kicked to the curb. They just have flaws. The guy in question _IS_ a good guy. He just happens to be passive agressive and will subtly ruin campaigns because he, like everyone else, has flaws. Maybe he secretly wants to be a great DM and when that fails he subversively ruins other campaigns to make himself feel better. Maybe he is really hurt when his campaigns end and has deep emotional problems why he can't vocalize this hurt. Who knows. The point is most gamers and most games run in the gray. People can be problem gamers and still be human beings worthy of friendship. People can also have problems without requiring an intervention. All too often the advice given is to sit down, be mature, and really work through this together. But that would be making a mountain out of a mole hill. The guy's campaign isn't that great. We'd like to move on to a new campaign. This doesn't require a restructuring of our social dynamic, this requires us either being 'petty' and ruining his campaign or being 'noble' and confronting him. I'd rather be 'noble,' but I know that would mean the next campaign would suffer. I don't want to be petty. I'd like to know of other suggestions. /rant [/QUOTE]
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