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DMG 5.5 - the return of bespoke magical items?
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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 9497919" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>But, they had the same characters in some parts...</p><p></p><p>However, even if we just go with the Fellowship, that's 17 years, and as one has pointed out above, you also have a two month stop over as well. </p><p></p><p>That's at least 50 days right there.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, no character will make weapons during an adventure. Do your characters only ever go on ONE adventure???</p><p></p><p>I suppose if that's how you roll.</p><p></p><p>However, if you ever have more than one adventure, there may actually be downtime between that and the next adventure. </p><p></p><p>In the course of the movie (and you didn't specify, only ONE part of the movie in your original post, so you kind of cheated there) they'd have time.</p><p></p><p>Of course, if they ONLY ever go on that ONE adventure in the movie, they won't have time, but that's never when people make magic weapons and stuff anyways.</p><p></p><p>In some campaigns people have time for alternate careers (be a blacksmith, be a bard playing in inns and taverns, etc), and many have downtime between adventures. I imagine if they ever made another movie that the characters of the D&D movie WOULD have had downtime between the films...probably MORE than enough time to make a magic weapon or two if they had that type of power.</p><p></p><p>Because, that's literally what we are talking about when the PC's are going to have the time to make these things anyways. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I wasn't approaching it any differently. I was approaching it that you seemed to say that they would never ever be able to make any magical weapons of a certain quality because they'd never ever have the time. I disagree with that idea. Perhaps in your campaign, but in general...there are MANY campaigns which would have the time for PC's to make their stuff if they wanted to. </p><p></p><p></p><p>You're assuming they are in the forge every day creating the weapon, but that's not what the rules say they have to be doing. They could just be focusing on infusing it with power, which means they'd just need a place where they could focus. If they aren't adventuring and merely traveling (or vice versa) then they have 8 hours that perhaps they could be doing just that. Granted, it probably would be really hard to do that via horseback, but on a boat? I've been on boats before, it wouldn't be that hard. </p><p></p><p>Actually, depending on the boat, you could have a full on forge there. You could also have a full on kitchen (imagine that...sailors want to eat), a woodworker and seamstress (sails need repair, so do various other parts of the boat, which is why a merchant ship may actually have a place for metal repairs). It's dependent, once again, on the campaign and the type of boats they are on and what the DM allows.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd consider it disingenuous that now that people have shown you in the books and movies you asked about, when it would be possible, you suddenly do NOT want to use the the actual book or movie, but only the portions you've approved, with out really saying which portion you approve of. You are adding restrictions in after the fact...</p><p></p><p>Soon, your going to say the only portion would be during the Siege of Gondor (and yet, even during the Siege they had weaponsmiths working on weaponry and repair constantly most likely), or when they are ONLY in the Mines of Moria, or some even more limiting time period than that. </p><p></p><p>It's also disingenious to ignore the other time periods the poster marked (Rivendell, Lothlorien). Of course, there are other down times they experience as well (though I'm not positive how long they were, Merry was with Theoden for a while before Gondor called for aid for example, Gandalf recovered after his battle with the Balrog and became Gandalf the White and that took a while, Denethor probably had a good long while before they even got to Gondor...etc). </p><p></p><p>I don't think anyone is saying PC's are going to make weapons in the middle of a Dungeon, or an adventure like that. They are simply saying it's going to be possible for PC's to make magical items and the restrictions are not necessarily that terrible that these items will never be made.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 9497919, member: 4348"] But, they had the same characters in some parts... However, even if we just go with the Fellowship, that's 17 years, and as one has pointed out above, you also have a two month stop over as well. That's at least 50 days right there. No, no character will make weapons during an adventure. Do your characters only ever go on ONE adventure??? I suppose if that's how you roll. However, if you ever have more than one adventure, there may actually be downtime between that and the next adventure. In the course of the movie (and you didn't specify, only ONE part of the movie in your original post, so you kind of cheated there) they'd have time. Of course, if they ONLY ever go on that ONE adventure in the movie, they won't have time, but that's never when people make magic weapons and stuff anyways. In some campaigns people have time for alternate careers (be a blacksmith, be a bard playing in inns and taverns, etc), and many have downtime between adventures. I imagine if they ever made another movie that the characters of the D&D movie WOULD have had downtime between the films...probably MORE than enough time to make a magic weapon or two if they had that type of power. Because, that's literally what we are talking about when the PC's are going to have the time to make these things anyways. I wasn't approaching it any differently. I was approaching it that you seemed to say that they would never ever be able to make any magical weapons of a certain quality because they'd never ever have the time. I disagree with that idea. Perhaps in your campaign, but in general...there are MANY campaigns which would have the time for PC's to make their stuff if they wanted to. You're assuming they are in the forge every day creating the weapon, but that's not what the rules say they have to be doing. They could just be focusing on infusing it with power, which means they'd just need a place where they could focus. If they aren't adventuring and merely traveling (or vice versa) then they have 8 hours that perhaps they could be doing just that. Granted, it probably would be really hard to do that via horseback, but on a boat? I've been on boats before, it wouldn't be that hard. Actually, depending on the boat, you could have a full on forge there. You could also have a full on kitchen (imagine that...sailors want to eat), a woodworker and seamstress (sails need repair, so do various other parts of the boat, which is why a merchant ship may actually have a place for metal repairs). It's dependent, once again, on the campaign and the type of boats they are on and what the DM allows. I'd consider it disingenuous that now that people have shown you in the books and movies you asked about, when it would be possible, you suddenly do NOT want to use the the actual book or movie, but only the portions you've approved, with out really saying which portion you approve of. You are adding restrictions in after the fact... Soon, your going to say the only portion would be during the Siege of Gondor (and yet, even during the Siege they had weaponsmiths working on weaponry and repair constantly most likely), or when they are ONLY in the Mines of Moria, or some even more limiting time period than that. It's also disingenious to ignore the other time periods the poster marked (Rivendell, Lothlorien). Of course, there are other down times they experience as well (though I'm not positive how long they were, Merry was with Theoden for a while before Gondor called for aid for example, Gandalf recovered after his battle with the Balrog and became Gandalf the White and that took a while, Denethor probably had a good long while before they even got to Gondor...etc). I don't think anyone is saying PC's are going to make weapons in the middle of a Dungeon, or an adventure like that. They are simply saying it's going to be possible for PC's to make magical items and the restrictions are not necessarily that terrible that these items will never be made. [/QUOTE]
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