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<blockquote data-quote="Dire Bare" data-source="post: 6432753" data-attributes="member: 18182">Really? &quot;Most&quot; or &quot;a lot&quot; are anecdotal generalizations. &quot;WotC forced elfier elves down our throats&quot; is needlessly aggressive hyperbolic language that just fans those edition war flames. It may not be your intent, but it is your result.&nbsp;Soooo not the point. You don't see an issue prior to 4E with elven subraces, I do, others do, WotC did. You don't care for eladrin, I love 'em! Lots of other folks did too. Doesn't really matter if it was &quot;lots&quot; of folks, or just seven of us. Having an opinion and sharing it is why we are here, so regardless how you view the issue, it's cool. It's HOW you express your dislike that gets to me, and others. Implying that WotC, or folks who like eladrin, think you are &quot;dim&quot; for not seeing the problem . . . well, there you go again, fanning the flames, intentionally or not.Increasingly, in my opinion, I really don't think so. It isn't that 4E is such a different game in many ways from 3E and prior editions, it isn't WotC's marketing during the switchover, it's passionate but misguided gamers crapping on each other's preferences. That's all there is to an edition war. If one person prefers 3E and another prefers 4E, they can each go on happily playing their respective games without the need to argue and spew vitriol at each other. Why can't we just accept that we don't all like the same things, and respect those different preferences?If you really dislike eladrin . . . great! Don't use them in your games! But why the need to so negatively crap on something that I like? Why the need to attack WotC for &quot;forcing&quot; things down your throat when they did no such thing? One of the races from 4E I didn't care much for was the vryloka. But I don't post about WotC &quot;forcing&quot; pseudo-emo-vampires down my throat! Because they haven't, and I know lots of gamers here LOVE the vryloka, and that makes me happy! Good for them!Yeah, I'm done too. I know that railing against internet vitriol is like pissing into the wind. Welcome to the internet Dire Bare!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dire Bare, post: 6432753, member: 18182"] Really? "Most" or "a lot" are anecdotal generalizations. "[I]WotC forced elfier elves down our throats[/I]" is needlessly aggressive hyperbolic language that just fans those edition war flames. It may not be your intent, but it is your result. Soooo not the point. You don't see an issue prior to 4E with elven subraces, I do, others do, WotC did. You don't care for eladrin, I love 'em! Lots of other folks did too. Doesn't really matter if it was "lots" of folks, or just seven of us. Having an opinion and sharing it is why we are here, so regardless how you view the issue, it's cool. It's [B]HOW[/B] you express your dislike that gets to me, and others. Implying that WotC, or folks who like eladrin, think you are "dim" for not seeing the problem . . . well, there you go again, fanning the flames, intentionally or not. Increasingly, in my opinion, I really don't think so. It isn't that 4E is such a different game in many ways from 3E and prior editions, it isn't WotC's marketing during the switchover, it's passionate but misguided gamers crapping on each other's preferences. That's all there is to an edition war. If one person prefers 3E and another prefers 4E, they can each go on happily playing their respective games without the need to argue and spew vitriol at each other. Why can't we just accept that we don't all like the same things, and respect those different preferences? If you really dislike eladrin . . . great! Don't use them in your games! But why the need to so negatively crap on something that I like? Why the need to attack WotC for "forcing" things down your throat when they did no such thing? One of the races from 4E I didn't care much for was the vryloka. But I don't post about WotC "forcing" pseudo-emo-vampires down my throat! Because they haven't, and I know lots of gamers here LOVE the vryloka, and that makes me happy! Good for them! Yeah, I'm done too. I know that railing against internet vitriol is like pissing into the wind. Welcome to the internet Dire Bare! [/QUOTE]

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