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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6433619" data-attributes="member: 2067">This twigs to one of the lessons I hope 5e has truly learned (and it seems that they have, in general): It's not the publisher's place to tell us what's fun and then have us do it and have fun. Rather, it is the publisher's place to supply fodder for what we think is fun. Lots of people think 4e eladrin are fun, so it makes sense to include them. They might've even been a lot of fun in 4e as an option. But as a replacement, they didn't fare so well. It is not the publisher's place to tell us that eladrin are more fun than the old D&amp;D high elves so here's eladrin and you don't need high elves anymore (and if you really want 'em, there's no Fun Police, but no way we're going to give 'em to you). It is more their place to say, &quot;this view of elves might be a lot of fun!&quot;Examples of that were written all over a lot of (especially early) 4e: let us tell you what is fun, what you need to have fun, what is the most fun, what D&amp;D is really about. Early 5e has a LOT in the opposite camp: do what you want, make a ruling and keep going, here's some ideas, the game isn't a fragile little snowflake that can't take some weirdness, do as thou wilt, whatever feels right to you. They're explicit about it now. Which is part of why I'm really looking forward to the DMG perhaps the most out of any of the three 5e initial releases. If there's anything that exemplifies the freer-wheeling &quot;here's a thing, have fun with it&quot; style of 5e, it'll be in the options and expansions and other tweaks the DM can bring to the system. It's the best place to present the &quot;do as thou wilt&quot; philosophy, to show that we've moved on from 4e's more...paternalistic...style. This blurb shows that in spades. The game wants you to make new subraces and races. It's easy to do. Here's some advice. Make the game your own. We won't tell you how to have fun.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 6433619, member: 2067"] This twigs to one of the lessons I hope 5e has truly learned (and it seems that they have, in general): It's not the publisher's place to tell us what's fun and then have us do it and have fun. Rather, it is the publisher's place to supply fodder for what [I]we[/I] think is fun. Lots of people think 4e eladrin are fun, so it makes sense to include them. They might've even been a lot of fun in 4e as an option. But as a [B]replacement[/B], they didn't fare so well. It is not the publisher's place to tell us that eladrin are more fun than the old D&D high elves so here's eladrin and you don't need high elves anymore (and if you really want 'em, there's no Fun Police, but no way we're going to give 'em to you). It is more their place to say, "this view of elves might be a lot of fun!" Examples of that were written all over a lot of (especially early) 4e: let us tell you what is fun, what you need to have fun, what is the most fun, what D&D is really about. Early 5e has a LOT in the opposite camp: do what you want, make a ruling and keep going, here's some ideas, the game isn't a fragile little snowflake that can't take some weirdness, do as thou wilt, whatever feels right to you. They're explicit about it now. Which is part of why I'm really looking forward to the DMG perhaps the most out of any of the three 5e initial releases. If there's anything that exemplifies the freer-wheeling "here's a thing, have fun with it" style of 5e, it'll be in the options and expansions and other tweaks the DM can bring to the system. It's the best place to present the "do as thou wilt" philosophy, to show that we've moved on from 4e's more...paternalistic...style. This blurb shows that in spades. The game wants you to make new subraces and races. It's easy to do. Here's some advice. Make the game your own. We won't tell you how to have fun. [/QUOTE]

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