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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 6434268" data-attributes="member: 37579">They're &quot;monsters&quot; because the weakest has six hit dice, they're celestial beings surrounded by nimbus of light, can turn into whirlwinds, and shoot lightning. They're as akin to elves as angels are akin to humans. Which is why they went with that name rather than otyughs I imagine. It's easy to justify the faerie angels being the ancestors of elves. But making them a PC race, renaming the plane, and generally completely changing the lore and background of the race is awkward. The switch from LE to CE happened in 3e. Or at least 3.5 (I don't have my 3.0 books any more.)Your example is minor. Tiny. You can ignore it by ignoring two small letters. It doesn't affect the portrayal of orcs in the past, change much of the lore, or affect your world. But what if they had instead said that the differences between orcs and hobgoblins were too minor, that because people couldn't tell the difference orcs as we knew them never existed. And they instead they introduced a new monster, let's go with the orog, that would fill the narrative gap left by the orcs. But now the orogs originated in the shadowfell. And that all worlds would now consider orcs orogs and have to retcon orc invaders as having originally come from the shadowfell.That's insulting because they're telling YOU that YOU cannot tell the difference between hobgoblins and orcs because some theoretical person might have trouble. So rather than make it easier to tell the difference, they make the decision for YOU.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 6434268, member: 37579"] They're "monsters" because the weakest has six hit dice, they're celestial beings surrounded by nimbus of light, can turn into whirlwinds, and shoot lightning. They're as akin to elves as angels are akin to humans. Which is why they went with that name rather than otyughs I imagine. It's easy to justify the faerie angels being the ancestors of elves. But making them a PC race, renaming the plane, and generally completely changing the lore and background of the race is awkward. The switch from LE to CE happened in 3e. Or at least 3.5 (I don't have my 3.0 books any more.) Your example is minor. Tiny. You can ignore it by ignoring two small letters. It doesn't affect the portrayal of orcs in the past, change much of the lore, or affect your world. But what if they had instead said that the differences between orcs and hobgoblins were too minor, that because people couldn't tell the difference orcs as we knew them never existed. And they instead they introduced a new monster, let's go with the orog, that would fill the narrative gap left by the orcs. But now the orogs originated in the shadowfell. And that all worlds would now consider orcs orogs and have to retcon orc invaders as having originally come from the shadowfell. That's insulting because they're telling YOU that YOU cannot tell the difference between hobgoblins and orcs because some theoretical person might have trouble. So rather than make it easier to tell the difference, they make the decision for YOU. [/QUOTE]

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