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<blockquote data-quote="Wrathamon" data-source="post: 6442796" data-attributes="member: 7989">Well you first post was about I use to slap on levels of wizard to a hobgoblin to make a warlord advisor. You can still do that and really easily. I dont see that being an issue. Just adjust the CR *if you want/need toYour 2nd post is about how do I make PHB races for players to use ... which is a design challenge. My thought on this is the Monsters posted in the MM arent RACES but Monsters. A Hero version of that monster might not have the same abilities as the Monster. The Monster trained differently. Dont try to extrapolate PC stats from monsters.Kobolds suck if you take their stats ... but that doesnt mean the HERO kobold the player is using is the same as a crappy mook. What is an iconic heroic kobold? Kobolds are small and dextrous and well known for their trapmaking. I would base it on the Rock Gnome to start and then modify. Hobgoblin Martial Advantage is too strong you mention. Replace it with something that &quot;makes sense&quot; for a Hobgoblin to have that is balanced with the PHB races. Start with 1/2 Orc or Wood Elf as a starting point then modify.If you aren't good or feel confident at making PC races for your players, then dont allow them. Or look online (there are a ton of conversions already) find one you like or modify one to fit your view. OR, wait. I am sure there will be a list of monsters races (at least goblins) for Eberron for example. Also, Kobolds are a fan favorite. From your list I only know people wanting to play kobolds to be honest. Satyrs got some play in 4e. I would look to see what they got and modify. I am sure Dragon Articles will have lots of Race options to be added to your game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wrathamon, post: 6442796, member: 7989"] Well you first post was about I use to slap on levels of wizard to a hobgoblin to make a warlord advisor. You can still do that and really easily. I dont see that being an issue. Just adjust the CR *if you want/need to Your 2nd post is about how do I make PHB races for players to use ... which is a design challenge. My thought on this is the Monsters posted in the MM arent RACES but Monsters. A Hero version of that monster might not have the same abilities as the Monster. The Monster trained differently. Dont try to extrapolate PC stats from monsters. Kobolds suck if you take their stats ... but that doesnt mean the HERO kobold the player is using is the same as a crappy mook. What is an iconic heroic kobold? Kobolds are small and dextrous and well known for their trapmaking. I would base it on the Rock Gnome to start and then modify. Hobgoblin Martial Advantage is too strong you mention. Replace it with something that "makes sense" for a Hobgoblin to have that is balanced with the PHB races. Start with 1/2 Orc or Wood Elf as a starting point then modify. If you aren't good or feel confident at making PC races for your players, then dont allow them. Or look online (there are a ton of conversions already) find one you like or modify one to fit your view. OR, wait. I am sure there will be a list of monsters races (at least goblins) for Eberron for example. Also, Kobolds are a fan favorite. From your list I only know people wanting to play kobolds to be honest. Satyrs got some play in 4e. I would look to see what they got and modify. I am sure Dragon Articles will have lots of Race options to be added to your game. [/QUOTE]

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