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<blockquote data-quote="azmodean" data-source="post: 2235889" data-attributes="member: 26590">I have to disagree, using smart tactics a bunch of lvl 1 warriors can get some hits in on all but the highest ac PCs.&nbsp; (my example, warriors armed with longspears and swords, if they get adjacent to the target they use the sword obviously.&nbsp; If they can manage to surround the target completely that's 25 attackers.&nbsp; If all but one (24) performs the Aid Other action, that's approximately +24 to hit.&nbsp; My assumtion here is each has a 50% chance of adding +2(hitting AC 10), which boils down to +1 per aiding individual with sufficient numbers.&nbsp; Against mid-level characters that's a high probability of a hit, with a power attack to boost the damage being a real possibility.)That's without using any house rules or special equipment, if you allow somehing like tight packing as a house rule (2 individuals per 5' square with a small penalty, say -2 to hit) the mob gets even more effective.IMO, all the mob template does (I can't speak for the one in the book as I haven't seen it, but I have developed and used one in my games) is automate this tedious process of figuring out all the aid other numbers and allow you to throw masses of weak enemies at your players without unduly bogging down the game.&nbsp; As far as making high level players feel less high level, I can't think of many things that would make a character feel more high-level than going toe-to-toe with a hundred or so warrior types or even goblins, and I think a mob template is a great way to introduce that into the game without slowing down combat more than necessary.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="azmodean, post: 2235889, member: 26590"] I have to disagree, using smart tactics a bunch of lvl 1 warriors can get some hits in on all but the highest ac PCs. (my example, warriors armed with longspears and swords, if they get adjacent to the target they use the sword obviously. If they can manage to surround the target completely that's 25 attackers. If all but one (24) performs the Aid Other action, that's approximately +24 to hit. My assumtion here is each has a 50% chance of adding +2(hitting AC 10), which boils down to +1 per aiding individual with sufficient numbers. Against mid-level characters that's a high probability of a hit, with a power attack to boost the damage being a real possibility.) That's without using any house rules or special equipment, if you allow somehing like tight packing as a house rule (2 individuals per 5' square with a small penalty, say -2 to hit) the mob gets even more effective. IMO, all the mob template does (I can't speak for the one in the book as I haven't seen it, but I have developed and used one in my games) is automate this tedious process of figuring out all the aid other numbers and allow you to throw masses of weak enemies at your players without unduly bogging down the game. As far as making high level players feel less high level, I can't think of many things that would make a character feel more high-level than going toe-to-toe with a hundred or so warrior types or even goblins, and I think a mob template is a great way to introduce that into the game without slowing down combat more than necessary. [/QUOTE]

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