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<blockquote data-quote="Vigilance" data-source="post: 3835377" data-attributes="member: 4275"><p>Ah, it was the tone of my post, ok. Well I think you misinterpreted the tone of my post then.</p><p></p><p>I was strictly discussing your point.</p><p></p><p>And "fired" might be shorthand for the idea that players will leave, but I still contend that it's over-the-top hyperbolic shorthand.</p><p></p><p>Let's think about this. ANY CHANGES you make to a game will please some players and displease others.</p><p></p><p>Therefor, literally ANY CHANGE Wizards is making to D&D for 4e could be characterized as "firing the fanbase". </p><p></p><p>Yes, Wizards knows that some players will dislike what they're doing. And yes, they hope more will like it, and that they get some "lapsed" players from older editions, and increase the size of the book-buying market.</p><p></p><p>Again, this applies to any change in ANY game system, and is totally incompatible with the idea of "firing your fans".</p><p></p><p>If Wizards was going to have a default pantheon including Pikachu, was stocking the MM with licensed creatures from Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest games, was adding "overdrive" feats out of DBZ, *THEN* you could make a case that they were attempting to jettison their old fan base in trade for a new one.</p><p></p><p>The stuff they're doing here isn't nearly to the level that I would call that a reasonable assertion. </p><p></p><p>As it is? Just looks like a new edition to me. </p><p></p><p>One that, I suspect, will be far, far closer to 3e than 3e was to 2e. </p><p></p><p>Chuck</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vigilance, post: 3835377, member: 4275"] Ah, it was the tone of my post, ok. Well I think you misinterpreted the tone of my post then. I was strictly discussing your point. And "fired" might be shorthand for the idea that players will leave, but I still contend that it's over-the-top hyperbolic shorthand. Let's think about this. ANY CHANGES you make to a game will please some players and displease others. Therefor, literally ANY CHANGE Wizards is making to D&D for 4e could be characterized as "firing the fanbase". Yes, Wizards knows that some players will dislike what they're doing. And yes, they hope more will like it, and that they get some "lapsed" players from older editions, and increase the size of the book-buying market. Again, this applies to any change in ANY game system, and is totally incompatible with the idea of "firing your fans". If Wizards was going to have a default pantheon including Pikachu, was stocking the MM with licensed creatures from Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest games, was adding "overdrive" feats out of DBZ, *THEN* you could make a case that they were attempting to jettison their old fan base in trade for a new one. The stuff they're doing here isn't nearly to the level that I would call that a reasonable assertion. As it is? Just looks like a new edition to me. One that, I suspect, will be far, far closer to 3e than 3e was to 2e. Chuck [/QUOTE]
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