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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 2640440" data-attributes="member: 111">No Hyp.  You're being ridiculuos (again).  There are all kinds of ways to get temporary bonuses, and I certainly would not allow those to count.  Let's say you found a way to get a spell-induced dex bonus so that you qualify for a Dex 13 Feat you want as a rerequisite for something else too hard to do, really).  Okay, so you boost your Dex every day while you level up.  Now you quailfy fot the feat, right?  Everytime you cast the spell, you can use the feat, too, and, furthermore, you can take other feats or prestige classes that required you to have the feat.Ridiculous.  While I agree that you can read the rules to support your position, Hyp, I think it's NOT a good reading.  I read them to mean that you must actually have the score, not by way of some temporary enhancement, into which I would include magic items whose effects go away whan you remove the item.I would say that temporary enhancements (including from items) are simply not permanent enough to count as "having" a particular attribute.I think that's the best way to read the rules as a whole.  It's not the only way to look at this, of course, and I do agree that your way is a legitimat, if misguided, way to view this.Youre way leads to lot's of potential problems that are trivial to avoid.</blockquote>