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<blockquote data-quote="ExploderWizard" data-source="post: 6704325" data-attributes="member: 66434">Yep. Once the party has good AOE damage, the addition of a good number of mook monsters doesn't appreciably increase the deadliness of the encounter. The guidelines do actually say to discount monsters that are significantly weaker than the other monsters in the encounter. The&nbsp; increased numbers are supposed to account for the force multiplier in the action economy. If the majority of the extra troops will die without getting actions then they are effectively meaningless to the deadliness of the encounter. Some of the most challenging combats I have found are against a decent sized group (perhaps 2-4 more monsters than PCs) of monsters that were not individually super powerful, but were not chumps either. They could take some punishment and dish it out. Larger groups are next to useless if they do not individually have the hit points to stick around longer than a round or two.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ExploderWizard, post: 6704325, member: 66434"] Yep. Once the party has good AOE damage, the addition of a good number of mook monsters doesn't appreciably increase the deadliness of the encounter. The guidelines do actually say to discount monsters that are significantly weaker than the other monsters in the encounter. The increased numbers are supposed to account for the force multiplier in the action economy. If the majority of the extra troops will die without getting actions then they are effectively meaningless to the deadliness of the encounter. Some of the most challenging combats I have found are against a decent sized group (perhaps 2-4 more monsters than PCs) of monsters that were not individually super powerful, but were not chumps either. They could take some punishment and dish it out. Larger groups are next to useless if they do not individually have the hit points to stick around longer than a round or two. [/QUOTE]

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