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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Varis" data-source="post: 4690958" data-attributes="member: 82427">OK, some fair points there.  So how did it play out? I thought, ok, I know they wont succeed, but I'll still make it challenging and fun and allow them to earn xp. I'll create a skill challenge. In the 1st 5 minutes they spend a good 3/4 hours (in game) travelling deep in the mountain. Cool - I switch to the others and see what they are doing. Then I switch back. In this 5 minute block, I describe the pipe as going verticle. I make them do endurance checks as part of a skill challenge,..then they break out climbers kits, hammer and pinions and start climbing. I'm asking for strength or athletics checks. They decide they will 'take ten' on all checks, because they have all the time in the (game) world to do it in. This in effect ruins my skill challenge idea. So now there is little to no risk (I did make them roll one more time to see if they got a 1), and they have committed 10 minutes of real time and 2 hours of game time. Regardless of repeated descriptions such as 'as far as you can see (with darkvision), the pipe continues upwards', they decide to continue on. The final five minutes was to confirm that they got it wrong. I certainly wasn't going to 'make up' something for their amusement just because they were there.</blockquote>