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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 4691333" data-attributes="member: 59057">1. If they players try, you didn´t discourage them enough. Did they actually see this pipe in action? As I understand, it only used once in a while during the day, exactly to discourage someone using water breathing and cimbing up. So when your PC´s try to get up there, you could tell them something like:It is used for flushing down water etc. The walls are damp, so it seems still to be in use. Probably closed. Alternatively you could let them see how it works, either before they climbed up, or just at the moment they tried... allowing them to cut themselves free from their rope... this would have ended their expedition quite early. Traps in the pipe don´t make sense: because noone expects anyone to climb up there when it is in use, and it is locked when not...so you could give some advice like: interestingly noone even bothered to put some bars at the lower end... And lastly, maybe you could have them observe the use of the pipe, allowing them to recognize if it is used regularly, so that the can meet just the right moment to be at the top of the pipe when it is opened, i am certain the preasure on the top is not too much (only the height of the water above your position contributes to the preasure) So: it could have been made an interesting entrance into the fortification, or you could have discouraged them even more, but: Now they know an escape route out of the fortification, this is not so bad. If they use it, you can give them XP afterwards. DMing is a skill, as you can learn how to do it. But it is a bit ar involved... Allowing PCs to contribute to your world however is important, because they also play the game. Reward good ideas or make it clear when PCs are on the wrong route. And when you allow them to walk on the wrong route, following a red herring, even then it should be interesting or useful.</blockquote>

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