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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Varis" data-source="post: 4693142" data-attributes="member: 82427">Agreed.Agreed.I attempted to introduce a skill challenge. They decided to take 10 (see my previous posts for more details on this)The issue here is that during that time, the remaining three PC's out of the pipe wanted to push forward up the mountain road,..and they encountered orcs (see my previous posts for more information on this). It was 5 pipes adjacent to one another, that evenually connect to become one large pipe that can accomodate 3-4 people abreast. The pipe is sealed with a large slab of rock at the very top, water trickling down the sides. This was drawn out a described. What would you conclude?  So it's often hard to tell the fatally ridiculous from the strategically sublime, without the DM's help.</blockquote>Agreed. Players should question, and DM's should point out the obvious observable facts, without drawing conclusions for the players.{Insert FUN here} The only problem with this is that both the players in the tunnel and the players outside the tunnel wanted to continue on their chosen course of action (for more detail, see my previous posts), which used hours of PC game world time, where other things were done.I set the scene and act as a conduit for the players to act in that. If you consider that as a the end itself, then I'm guilty.My first priority is ensuring the players enjoy themselves.My second priority is protecting the integrity of the scene, so when the players earn their victories, they can savour the fact that those victoies were legitimate ones, not just 'gimmes' or 'gifts'.For instance, in the second half of the game, the 5 players got together and had an extended rest, buying the time for the orcs to gather more forces together (the orcs thought that there was potentially a small army on the way, and took defensive measures)They party eventually took on 18 orcs and 2 ogres - I managed to send 3 players into negatives, with the 4th on 1 hit point,..but they won! A great victory, hard fought, and well earnt. And well enjoyed,..as a team. I couldn't stop them grinning. They beat me and stomped on my ego to boot. Ah well,..plenty more orcs out there...[/QUOTE]

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