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<blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4694700" data-attributes="member: 40961">I do agree with that.&nbsp;I also agree that the party shouldn't have split up.&nbsp; That's their bad.&nbsp;I just don't think that the DM did a very good job of communicating what he meant to communicate to his players, and I also don't think that you can really use simulationism to justify events outside of the player's meaningful control that lead to a bad play session.&nbsp;If I have incredibly good simulationist reasons for having a dangerous high level dragon in a particular region, but the players don't know enough about the situation not to blunder into the dragon and get their characters killed before they can retreat, that's still my fault.&nbsp; Their actions led them there, but their actions were made based on the information available to them.&nbsp; And assuming that my players didn't actually WANT to get killed by a dragon, that suggests that I didn't give them the information they needed.&nbsp;The scenario in this thread is about a hundred times less serious than that since all it cost was a few moments of time.&nbsp; But its a similar principle.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadfan, post: 4694700, member: 40961"] I do agree with that. I also agree that the party shouldn't have split up. That's their bad. I just don't think that the DM did a very good job of communicating what he meant to communicate to his players, and I also don't think that you can really use simulationism to justify events outside of the player's meaningful control that lead to a bad play session. If I have incredibly good simulationist reasons for having a dangerous high level dragon in a particular region, but the players don't know enough about the situation not to blunder into the dragon and get their characters killed before they can retreat, that's still my fault. Their actions led them there, but their actions were made based on the information available to them. And assuming that my players didn't actually WANT to get killed by a dragon, that suggests that I didn't give them the information they needed. The scenario in this thread is about a hundred times less serious than that since all it cost was a few moments of time. But its a similar principle. [/QUOTE]

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