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<blockquote data-quote="Nonlethal Force" data-source="post: 3500586" data-attributes="member: 35788">I agree. I don't use nightsticks, either.However, I've no problem with DMM or persistant.&nbsp; A character so specialized is going to be easily defeated by enemies.&nbsp; Don't think they'll be able to do a tiny bit of research and find out what completely foils the cleric?&nbsp; Actually, as a DM I kind of enjoy when players contemplate throwing DMM into the mix.&nbsp; They throw up a few DMM and all of a sudden the BBEGs suddenly invest into the necromancy market.&nbsp; After all, if the cleric is foolish enough to use their turn undead attempts on foolish things like dispelable spells, I'll be glad to let the enemies invest in undead!Proper use of Dispel magics and Undead really makes the players think about the consequences of DMM and they begin to realize that DMM isn't really worth it.&nbsp; I truly believe that DMM was brought into the game because DMs wetre underusing Undead and WotC needed to give some people a reason besides healing to play a cleric.&nbsp; [Nobody likes the label &quot;band-aid, after all]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nonlethal Force, post: 3500586, member: 35788"] I agree. I don't use nightsticks, either. However, I've no problem with DMM or persistant. A character so specialized is going to be easily defeated by enemies. Don't think they'll be able to do a tiny bit of research and find out what completely foils the cleric? Actually, as a DM I kind of enjoy when players contemplate throwing DMM into the mix. They throw up a few DMM and all of a sudden the BBEGs suddenly invest into the necromancy market. After all, if the cleric is foolish enough to use their turn undead attempts on foolish things like dispelable spells, I'll be glad to let the enemies invest in undead! Proper use of Dispel magics and Undead really makes the players think about the consequences of DMM and they begin to realize that DMM isn't really worth it. I truly believe that DMM was brought into the game because DMs wetre underusing Undead and WotC needed to give some people a reason besides healing to play a cleric. [Nobody likes the label "band-aid, after all] [/QUOTE]

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