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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MarkB" data-source="post: 6157750" data-attributes="member: 40176">Logically, any check result sufficient to answer the question "how does this dwarven security system work?" would be plenty to provide the information "this is clearly not a dwarven security system". By providing that simple answer you dispel the players' assumption.And if their check result was insufficient, then they would've failed anyway, even if their assumption was correct.I'll also point out that Knowledge checks are, by their nature, passive checks - they're a check to see whether or not the character knows something. Even if the player, hearing your description, thinks the runes are dwarven, his character will still recognise them as arcane runes if he's seen their like before. The player should automatically get to roll a check using the correct Knowledge skill the moment he says his character is examining the runes.Try telling the players "You're proceeding under a false assumption. I know it was a few sessions ago, but do you remember that scene where <insert assumption-busting information>..."If you feel that that's too metagamey, ask them all to make Intelligence checks first, then tell the above to whoever rolled highest.</blockquote>