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DM's and Rules Lawyers - How Would You Rule this Deadly Situation?
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<blockquote data-quote="andargor" data-source="post: 2528616" data-attributes="member: 7231"><p>First, I assume you are talking about the effect of the spell <em>phantom steed</em>. The murky part of this is the definition of "ally", which has been debated oft times.</p><p></p><p>The non-official consensus on this is that an "ally" is relative to the spellcaster's view of that creature. Hence, you could not detect hidden enemies in your midst with a spell that only affects "allies". If the spellcaster considers someone an ally, then that's what that creature is.</p><p></p><p>In this case, the Phantom Steed is an Effect of <em>phantom steed</em>, cast by the spellcaster to aid his/her "allies". So technically the <em>phantom steed</em> is in the friendly camp, even after the death of its creator. The spell's effect doesn't suddenly decide to change allegiances. If it were a Conjuration (Calling) type of spell, then the DM could have the creature re-evaluate its perspective on things according to alignment and such.</p><p></p><p>Second, there doesn't seem to be a definition for "neutral" or "non-combatant" creatures. Either it's an ally or an opponent, from what I can see in the description of "moving through a square".</p><p></p><p>But even if there were such a thing as a "neutral" creature, the spell indicates the following:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The "it does not fight" indicates that it is not able to enter combat. The fighter is not an animal, so he doen't shun it.</p><p></p><p>Thirdly, if the DM rules that for some reason, the Phantom Steed "completely fills the squares it occupies", then it cannot be moved past, even if it's an ally. If it doesn't completely fill the squares it occupies, then if it's up to three sizes larger than the fighter, he can move past.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>How would I rule this? Between the choice of ally or opponent, I would say the Phantom Steed is an ally. It was cast by a spellcaster that was an ally, and it has no combat capability. Since it's Large, unless the fighter is smaller than Fine, he can get through. So he does, if the Phantom Steed doesn't completely occupy the squares he's trying to pass through. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Andargor</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="andargor, post: 2528616, member: 7231"] First, I assume you are talking about the effect of the spell [i]phantom steed[/i]. The murky part of this is the definition of "ally", which has been debated oft times. The non-official consensus on this is that an "ally" is relative to the spellcaster's view of that creature. Hence, you could not detect hidden enemies in your midst with a spell that only affects "allies". If the spellcaster considers someone an ally, then that's what that creature is. In this case, the Phantom Steed is an Effect of [i]phantom steed[/i], cast by the spellcaster to aid his/her "allies". So technically the [i]phantom steed[/i] is in the friendly camp, even after the death of its creator. The spell's effect doesn't suddenly decide to change allegiances. If it were a Conjuration (Calling) type of spell, then the DM could have the creature re-evaluate its perspective on things according to alignment and such. Second, there doesn't seem to be a definition for "neutral" or "non-combatant" creatures. Either it's an ally or an opponent, from what I can see in the description of "moving through a square". But even if there were such a thing as a "neutral" creature, the spell indicates the following: The "it does not fight" indicates that it is not able to enter combat. The fighter is not an animal, so he doen't shun it. Thirdly, if the DM rules that for some reason, the Phantom Steed "completely fills the squares it occupies", then it cannot be moved past, even if it's an ally. If it doesn't completely fill the squares it occupies, then if it's up to three sizes larger than the fighter, he can move past. How would I rule this? Between the choice of ally or opponent, I would say the Phantom Steed is an ally. It was cast by a spellcaster that was an ally, and it has no combat capability. Since it's Large, unless the fighter is smaller than Fine, he can get through. So he does, if the Phantom Steed doesn't completely occupy the squares he's trying to pass through. :) Andargor [/QUOTE]
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