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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DM-Rocco" data-source="post: 2538725" data-attributes="member: 14451">Don't get me wrong, I think my DM is nuts.  I know that a shield has an armor check penalty that takes the bulk of a shield into account.  I even suggested that a player could push into his enemy with the shield to knock the opponent out of the way, thus reducing the bulk of the shield because you are using it as a tool to help assassit you in your tumble, but he is nuts.Yeah, I called you nuts  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> He likes to search my threads, so I know he is reading  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Anyway, I strongly disagree with my DM on this point, and others, but we debate things out and I have a few victories under my belt, but ultimately he is the DM, if he want to imposed a rule that said you can't tumble through an enemy occupied square with a shield, then I can either not play or play by his rules.I DM regular D&D, I play in his Grim and Gritty game, (G&G), and it is a more brutail and harsher world with closer ties to realism in combat and such things.  I lose this round of fighting by conceeding the shield thing, but I may win the sneak attack rules.  Recently he has tried to change the sneak attack rules to something weaker.  As a 1 level fighter and a 7th level rogue who has invested 1 and a half years of play into his game, 7 rogue levels, the improved feint feat to make use of sneak attack and lots of skill ranks in tumble and bluff, if he makes sneak attack weaker, I will opt to not play any longer because he has gone too far.Okay, now I'm ranting and raving.  Anyway, you might not agree with the DM, but you should either respect his ruling or not play his game.  You can debate it, but if it is carved in stone, the DM has the final word.But I'll give you his e-mail address if you want to writew him and tell him he is a nut.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

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