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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2540906" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Just to stir the pot with some thoughts that have not yet been expressed, I'm going to disagree with the majority here.</p><p></p><p>I think there is confusion here on whether a conjured creature is a friend or opponent.</p><p></p><p>According to the rules, they are neither. Granted, a summoned creature "attacks your opponents to the best of its abilities", but that does NOT mean that it is friendly to your group. If the best of its abilities means casting Fireball over a group of your friends and opponents, that is what it will do. A friendly creature would typically not Fireball allies, but a summoned creature is forced to attack to the best of its ability.</p><p></p><p>You cannot move through the square of a summoned creature as if it were friendly to you. The caster can order it to allow him through since it must obey his orders, but the rest of the group cannot.</p><p></p><p>Theoretically, the caster may be able to order a summoned creature to be friendly to the rest of the group (but even this is questionable since he can order its actions, but probably not its attitude), but he cannot do this to a Phantom Steed since it does not take orders from its caster, only its rider.</p><p></p><p>The steed is not an ally. Just because it is conjured by an ally does not make it an ally.</p><p></p><p>Nor is it an opponent.</p><p></p><p>It is an "indifferent" NPC (PHB p72).</p><p></p><p>There are no specific rules on moving through the square of an indifferent creature.</p><p></p><p>However, there are rules on moving through an obstacle.</p><p></p><p>The creature has to be an obstacle since it is there and it is neither friendly nor an opponent.</p><p></p><p>Hence, you can move through its squares, but it costs 2 squares of movement per square gone through.</p><p></p><p>So, depending on the movement of the Fighter, it would have cost him 5 squares of movement to get through the steed (assuming he must go through both squares of the steed as per the original post). But if he could move 5 squares with two move actions, he could make it through. Plus, if the steed is an obstacle (since it is not a friendly or opponent creature), it would provide soft cover while the Fighter is going through it (since obstacles can provide cover and creatures can provide soft cover).</p><p></p><p>.......</p><p>FHH5</p><p>XHH5</p><p>.......</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2540906, member: 2011"] Just to stir the pot with some thoughts that have not yet been expressed, I'm going to disagree with the majority here. I think there is confusion here on whether a conjured creature is a friend or opponent. According to the rules, they are neither. Granted, a summoned creature "attacks your opponents to the best of its abilities", but that does NOT mean that it is friendly to your group. If the best of its abilities means casting Fireball over a group of your friends and opponents, that is what it will do. A friendly creature would typically not Fireball allies, but a summoned creature is forced to attack to the best of its ability. You cannot move through the square of a summoned creature as if it were friendly to you. The caster can order it to allow him through since it must obey his orders, but the rest of the group cannot. Theoretically, the caster may be able to order a summoned creature to be friendly to the rest of the group (but even this is questionable since he can order its actions, but probably not its attitude), but he cannot do this to a Phantom Steed since it does not take orders from its caster, only its rider. The steed is not an ally. Just because it is conjured by an ally does not make it an ally. Nor is it an opponent. It is an "indifferent" NPC (PHB p72). There are no specific rules on moving through the square of an indifferent creature. However, there are rules on moving through an obstacle. The creature has to be an obstacle since it is there and it is neither friendly nor an opponent. Hence, you can move through its squares, but it costs 2 squares of movement per square gone through. So, depending on the movement of the Fighter, it would have cost him 5 squares of movement to get through the steed (assuming he must go through both squares of the steed as per the original post). But if he could move 5 squares with two move actions, he could make it through. Plus, if the steed is an obstacle (since it is not a friendly or opponent creature), it would provide soft cover while the Fighter is going through it (since obstacles can provide cover and creatures can provide soft cover). ....... FHH5 XHH5 ....... [/QUOTE]
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