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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 3631379" data-attributes="member: 13966">I'm not sure anyone here has said anything like that.What Edena was describing in the first post was constant, unceasing threats to the PCs and a determination to harass them until they die or quit the game.  That is basically, by definition, adversarial (Me versus Them).  The DM wants to hound the players and throw impossible threats against them sometimes just because; to see if they can squirm their way out of dying, if that's even possible.I challenge my players pretty often, but most of the time they're relatively safe and unmolested, traveling and crafting and roleplaying without any expectation of doom.  They've come close enough at times to worry, but they know I won't go PKing or TPKing on them as long as they avoid doing anything too stupid with their PCs.The PCs in my games have faced near-TPKs several times, and have asked more than once if there was any way they could even win those fights.  Of course they did win every time, albeit with the occasional PC death or many PCs falling unconscious, because I was only trying to give them a challenge.  But my players know well enough that despite my frequent challenging of their abilities, I've never actually killed many of their PCs, and they know I won't actually TPK them unless they do something stupid (they've come close at times, since there is at least one impulsive/hot-headed PC in every game, but so far they've managed to avoid the worst foes lurking in every territory they've traveled through).The PCs hadn't made enemies of any kind of uber-foe, so as long as they didn't go putzing around in the lair of anything truly powerful, they weren't really in any danger of facing an impossible foe (though they're often convinced that any major foe, be it a chuul or an allosaurus or a dark elven wizard, is probably going to exterminate them; they just tend to be mostly wrong on that account, cuz I never throw anything impossible at them as long as they avoid actively doing anything to get the attention of such things).</blockquote>

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