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<blockquote data-quote="Harmon" data-source="post: 3632314" data-attributes="member: 24357"><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p></p><p>CR20 Red Dragon - 4d6+12 Bite damage, you are right they have no listed slam damage, but... okay, lets run the numbers and pretend the dragon has done this before.</p><p></p><p>Wizard 5 Elf (known for their increased Con scores)- possible hp with a 16 Con - 5d4 all rolls were 4s so that means 20 + 3x5 = 35 hp</p><p></p><p>Scroll of Stoneskin costs 1100 gp gives 10 DR</p><p></p><p>Average damage on 4d6 is 14+12 = 26 points of damage that is 16 through, so the wizard lasts three rounds, of the dragon biting him. If the Dragon didn't get frustrated and just breath fire on the dude- 16d10 (88 pts of damage average). The wizard might have a chance at whittling down the dragon's hp (average is 378) if he can get through the dragons 24 SR.</p><p></p><p>Frightening Presence Save is a 29. The Fighter is one of the lowest here, lets give him a +6 Will Save- makes on a 20. Lets give him a +10 (unheard of at that level, but okay).</p><p></p><p>Okay, so everyone makes the Frightening Presence save (maybe they all had Heroes Feast <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ).</p><p></p><p>Okay, so the dragon some how its the ground and everyone dog piles the dragon, everyone assists the fighter and gets the guy a +10 bonus to hit (assist and flanking and whatever), giving the Wpn Spec Fighter a +20 to hit he still has to hit a 33 AC, which is only 35% of the time at this point. With his MW Bastard Sword he does 1d10 + 8 (two handed w/WS oh, what the heck give him a +1 sword) that is 19 max points of damage, lets make it a crit with max damage- 38 points! </p><p></p><p>Okay, so in the above you claimed that a Gargantuan dragon is stopped by a wizard with stone skin- why? Did the Wizard have an Immoveable Rod stuck up his behind?</p><p></p><p>In all seriousness, you have a great idea- just very unrealistic views.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harmon, post: 3632314, member: 24357"] :D CR20 Red Dragon - 4d6+12 Bite damage, you are right they have no listed slam damage, but... okay, lets run the numbers and pretend the dragon has done this before. Wizard 5 Elf (known for their increased Con scores)- possible hp with a 16 Con - 5d4 all rolls were 4s so that means 20 + 3x5 = 35 hp Scroll of Stoneskin costs 1100 gp gives 10 DR Average damage on 4d6 is 14+12 = 26 points of damage that is 16 through, so the wizard lasts three rounds, of the dragon biting him. If the Dragon didn't get frustrated and just breath fire on the dude- 16d10 (88 pts of damage average). The wizard might have a chance at whittling down the dragon's hp (average is 378) if he can get through the dragons 24 SR. Frightening Presence Save is a 29. The Fighter is one of the lowest here, lets give him a +6 Will Save- makes on a 20. Lets give him a +10 (unheard of at that level, but okay). Okay, so everyone makes the Frightening Presence save (maybe they all had Heroes Feast ;) ). Okay, so the dragon some how its the ground and everyone dog piles the dragon, everyone assists the fighter and gets the guy a +10 bonus to hit (assist and flanking and whatever), giving the Wpn Spec Fighter a +20 to hit he still has to hit a 33 AC, which is only 35% of the time at this point. With his MW Bastard Sword he does 1d10 + 8 (two handed w/WS oh, what the heck give him a +1 sword) that is 19 max points of damage, lets make it a crit with max damage- 38 points! Okay, so in the above you claimed that a Gargantuan dragon is stopped by a wizard with stone skin- why? Did the Wizard have an Immoveable Rod stuck up his behind? In all seriousness, you have a great idea- just very unrealistic views. [/QUOTE]
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